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RE: Someone hates us! - CassandraJean - 09-26-2013
I hope too many people do not start rping in party chat. I can see doing that if you -want- your RP to be a private one, maybe it's a more personal storyline that you don't want people to get involved in.
But to be honest, even if I am not in the mood to join in with someone else's RP, I always feel so happy when I see others doing it publically. Like I hurried into a pub and there were about three or four people RPing. I didnt join in, but I walked by extra slow and it just made me giddy to see them.
I love seeing people enjoy the game.
RE: Someone hates us! - Asyria - 09-27-2013
Main reason I RP in Party chat is this: in real life, when I'm in public areas, chatting with a friend or even multiple friends, I have never ever had a random stranger just jump into the conversation. I have done so myself only once in my entire life.
The difference is hobby stores, but you just have to expect random conversations between hobbyists in their natural environment.
I understand wanting to be inclusive and inviting to other RPers but it's just unrealistic that people would jump into strangers' conversations, and RPers seem to do that all the time. It's an admittedly very mild case of metagaming (realistically, the people talking in the street wouldn't stand out at all) but it still bugs me.
In the case of social events, of course we want to be inclusive and do everything publicly but most of the time, it just doesn't make sense for me to do so. Unless my character is being particularly loud or something.
RE: Someone hates us! - Magellan - 09-27-2013
Asyria, I have thought about your point often: how its unrealistic for people to jump into conversations without reason to. But the thing is, there can be reasons to. New folks are so eager to rp that they just run up and yell 'hey guise! What's going on!?'
It's the wrong approach, but the enthusiasm is totally a good thing. It's a perfect opportunity OOCly to try and help them learn better 'how to work yourself into a scene' approach.
Coming out of the archers guild in Gridania yesterday, my miqo Claire discovered a Bard training a brand new Lalafell archer how to use her bow.
"Wish I had a cool hat like that," Claire grumbled, eyeing the bard.
That was an opening. If the Bard ignored me, Claire would just move on. However, he chose to acknowledge her! What followed was a fun 10 minute on the spot RP. It was a nice break from the pve grind I was doing. Had they been in party chat Iwould have sadly missed that opportunity.
Nor is party chat realistic. Two people are standing right in front of Claire talking, and yet she can't hear a word they are saying? That is just as unrealistic as people 'crashing' conversations. Some scenes deserve privacy, I'll give you that. But then don't do them in public places :p
Open world RP can be extremely rewarding and gratifying. Having to put up with a troll here or there shouldn't turn people off from it. Having over-enthusiastic rpers crash your scene should be seen as an opportunity to better instruct them on how to create more realistic interactions. Party chat deprives them of that opportunity.
An RP community is only strong if it looks out for each other, and if it continues to grow. Ignoring the new folks, or avoiding them, is the worst thing a community can do, and why so many people harbor u fair grudges against rpers in the first place.
RE: Someone hates us! - DAISHI - 09-27-2013
Get with the times kids. If nobody hates you you're not doing life right.
(09-27-2013, 11:20 AM)Asyria Wrote: Main reason I RP in Party chat is this: in real life, when I'm in public areas, chatting with a friend or even multiple friends, I have never ever had a random stranger just jump into the conversation. I have done so myself only once in my entire life.
The difference is hobby stores, but you just have to expect random conversations between hobbyists in their natural environment.
I understand wanting to be inclusive and inviting to other RPers but it's just unrealistic that people would jump into strangers' conversations, and RPers seem to do that all the time. It's an admittedly very mild case of metagaming (realistically, the people talking in the street wouldn't stand out at all) but it still bugs me.
In the case of social events, of course we want to be inclusive and do everything publicly but most of the time, it just doesn't make sense for me to do so. Unless my character is being particularly loud or something.
It's unrealistic for an introvert.
Don't push that on extroverts. People like me have no issue jumping into other conversations or striking up talks with people they don't know.
RE: Someone hates us! - Naunet - 09-27-2013
(09-27-2013, 11:20 AM)Asyria Wrote: Main reason I RP in Party chat is this: in real life, when I'm in public areas, chatting with a friend or even multiple friends, I have never ever had a random stranger just jump into the conversation. I have done so myself only once in my entire life.
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I understand wanting to be inclusive and inviting to other RPers but it's just unrealistic that people would jump into strangers' conversations, and RPers seem to do that all the time. It's an admittedly very mild case of metagaming (realistically, the people talking in the street wouldn't stand out at all) but it still bugs me.
Then, please, tell me how you expect people to start up RP with you? Because all you're doing is isolating yourself from the community and potential RP. No one can tell whether or not you're just standing around afk or chatting OOCly, or if you're RPing. And I certainly wouldn't want to engage in RP with someone who only wants to do it in /p. I want RP public and open, and your own reluctance to start up conversations with people in public spaces does not mean it's some kind of strange thing.
RE: Someone hates us! - K'dath - 09-27-2013
(09-27-2013, 11:20 AM)Asyria Wrote: I understand wanting to be inclusive and inviting to other RPers but it's just unrealistic that people would jump into strangers' conversations...Truncated for highlighting purposes.
It depends on the type of person. Some people are nosy, busy bodies who think they are involved in everyone's conversation. Some people are earnest and good-intentioned and simply want to contribute, whether they're welcomed or not. Others are just socially awkward or deficient (and I don't mean that in a rude way, it's a legitimate problem) and literally can't process social interactions correctly.
Though I'm not trying to be contrary, because I doubt most people are RPing socially stunted folk in good faith. It's simply the best way they know how to flag themselves as being interested in what you're doing. Just saying there are people who are that way and it's a legitimate character flaw. Instead of letting it break your immersion, you can roll with it, if you so choose :b
RE: Someone hates us! - SessionZero - 09-27-2013
Since when were we going for realism in this game? I ride a giant chicken and shoot fireballs out of my hands. I think we can extend our suspension of disbelief to butting in on someone's conversation that we've never met.
RE: Someone hates us! - Cato - 09-28-2013
Realism is subjective to the setting, though there's absolutely nothing wrong with bringing some elements of realism from the real world into a fantasy setting. I favour realism in my own role-play because it makes for a much more compelling and interesting story for my character to get injured from time to time instead of being instantly cured by magic whenever something goes awry.
RE: Someone hates us! - ArmachiA - 09-28-2013
Huh. In the course of my life I've had a lot of people just jump into conversations they weren't apart of in real life.
Just yesterday I was out to lunch with my mom for my birthday and we were standing in line to pay (We went to Cracker Barrel) my mom goes "Don't leave without me." and heads to the bathroom, to which my fiance goes "You have the keys!" and this random person in front of us, who we had no idea who it was, goes, "What kind of car does she have?" I said a truck and she goes "Well if it's not a Lambergini then it's not worth going to jail over." This started a lengthy conversation about country music with her.
I had no idea who she was! But it was a fun conversation and lasted about a half hour before we went our separate ways.
This happens to me a lot. I meet random people in bars this way, I've met friends by just standing in the right line. Me and my friend once hung out the entire day at an amusement park with a single dad and his kids because we all got into a conversation in the line for a ride.
I find it weird this never happens to people.
RE: Someone hates us! - Claris - 09-28-2013
(09-27-2013, 11:52 AM)Magellan Wrote: Coming out of the archers guild in Gridania yesterday, my miqo Claire discovered a Bard training a brand new Lalafell archer how to use her bow.
"Wish I had a cool hat like that," Claire grumbled, eyeing the bard.
That was an opening. If the Bard ignored me, Claire would just move on. However, he chose to acknowledge her! What followed was a fun 10 minute on the spot RP. It was a nice break from the pve grind I was doing. Had they been in party chat Iwould have sadly missed that opportunity.
Ohey, that Lala was me! /wave
I'm an introvert, but I don't mind it if people jump into conversations/scenes if the scene makes sense to. If I'm talking quietly, I'll just use tell or partychat to denote that.
On the other end of the spectrum, joining random conversations.. even if they're in taverns.. makes me nervous! I rolled an enthusiastic, curious Lala girl on Gilga the other day. There were so many conversations I could've had her join but I didn't because SCARED. Ugh.
RE: Someone hates us! - Yloise - 09-28-2013
I get invited to party chat alot. Unfortunately this halts any attempts for strangers who recognize Bhara to do walk up rp in case they see me. So a few times I do post in say/em to try to include them until they get invited to the party as well.
Party is also useful in large gatherings of RPers, so the conversations dont get mixed up.
RE: Someone hates us! - Asyria - 09-28-2013
DAISHI, don't push your views on me and call me an introvert when I'm simply sharing mine openly.
I'm not calling you or anyone unrealistic, I'm speaking my own personal mind.
That also goes for anyone else being judgmental here.
Way to promote an open community, guys.
This kind of attitude, my own personal views aside, is part of why I left the RPC and open RP in general back then. But it's cool, I don't really want to RP with judgmental smartasses...
Moving on...
Is it unrealistic to have two people talk nearby and not hear them?
Yes, it can be, if you specifically pay attention to them... but why would you? Think of the real world.
How often are people chatting among themselves right next to you and you don't hear them? All the time.
For example...
- There are people talking everywhere around and it's hard to focus on just one conversation even if you wanted to.
- It's a crowded area and you're not specifically paying attention.
- They are whispering or simply speaking low.
And most important of all... why would you pay attention to what two people are saying ICly?
OOC, you see people RPing, you know they're RPers, you want in... a bit of meta and you join their conversation... Cool! Now you're RPing too.
But isn't it strange?
Now, I'm perfectly fine with public RP, I certainly don't mind that people do it (I welcome it, in fact), but I wanted to point out that I have, y'know, actual reasons to think what I think other than oh-noes-I'm-shy-and-introvert.
Also, enthusiasm is cool but sometimes it just... completely breaks whatever is going on.
Lastly, realism is indeed subjective to the setting. In this setting Chocobos, magic, monsters and airship are commonplace and normal. Perspective!
Keep in mind, while I have played tons of MMO's over the years and RPed in most of them, I do come from a pen & paper background and am used to small, controlled, RP situations. It's what I enjoy.
RE: Someone hates us! - SessionZero - 09-28-2013
(09-28-2013, 09:54 AM)Asyria Wrote: DAISHI, don't push your views on me and call me an introvert when I'm simply sharing mine openly.
I'm not calling you or anyone unrealistic, I'm speaking my own personal mind.
That also goes for anyone else being judgmental here.
Way to promote an open community, guys.
This kind of attitude, my own personal views aside, is part of why I left the RPC and open RP in general back then. But it's cool, I don't really want to RP with judgmental smartasses...
Moving on...
Is it unrealistic to have two people talk nearby and not hear them?
Yes, it can be, if you specifically pay attention to them... but why would you? Think of the real world.
How often are people chatting among themselves right next to you and you don't hear them? All the time.
For example...
- There are people talking everywhere around and it's hard to focus on just one conversation even if you wanted to.
- It's a crowded area and you're not specifically paying attention.
- They are whispering or simply speaking low.
And most important of all... why would you pay attention to what two people are saying ICly?
OOC, you see people RPing, you know they're RPers, you want in... a bit of meta and you join their conversation... Cool! Now you're RPing too.
But isn't it strange?
Now, I'm perfectly fine with public RP, I certainly don't mind that people do it (I welcome it, in fact), but I wanted to point out that I have, y'know, actual reasons to think what I think other than oh-noes-I'm-shy-and-introvert.
Also, enthusiasm is cool but sometimes it just... completely breaks whatever is going on.
Lastly, realism is indeed subjective to the setting. In this setting Chocobos, magic, monsters and airship are commonplace and normal. Perspective!
Keep in mind, while I have played tons of MMO's over the years and RPed in most of them, I do come from a pen & paper background and am used to small, controlled, RP situations. It's what I enjoy.
Then no one would ever RP with anyone else because it's not "realistic" and everyone would just stick to their cliques and the RP in this game would suck. I get that we want to strike a good balance with the subjective realism and suspension of disbelief in this game, but you can't let that get in the way of actually being able to utilize the thing you need to strike that balance for. Some of the best RP I've ever been a part of was in SWTOR at the Carrack Station cantina, when everyone was butting in on everyone else's conversations, because if we didn't, the RP in that place would have been stale and shitty.
RE: Someone hates us! - Magellan - 09-28-2013
@ Asyria: It seems my post started a 5-6 post anti- Asyria page, and for that I apologize. My intent was merely to debate your viewpoints, and to offer up good reasons to embrace open world RP. If anything I said came across as offensive, I apologize.
In the end, we must keep in mind that we are a diverse group who have different wants and needs from our RP, and we should try to remain respectful of that, and refrain from placing labels and names on each other. What I crave from my rp, and what Asyria craves is a bit different, and thats fine. If all of us wanted the same thing, what a boring place Eorzea would be.
In real life, Asyria, I do listen in on people's convetsations. I'm a people watcher and a shameless eavesdropper. Its the writer in me. Studying people helps me (hopefully) create more in-depth, believable characters.
While I am a bit of a wallflower, and do not initiate random conversations myself, I do however find it interesting when people do so with me. Some people are just naturally friendly! My whole point is I think the RP community as a whole has a big opportunity to nurture and grow itself with how they handle random walkup rpers. There can be so many negative rp experiences, its nice to try and create some positive ones that happen out of the blue!
@Claris: I thought your Lala archer was adorable, and I'd love to RP with her again ^_^
Also, I apologize for the subligar Claire was wearing. That was totally not what she would wear ICly xD
RE: Someone hates us! - K'nahli - 09-28-2013
Jumping in on random conversations can suit some personalities but as Asyria said, it is not usual/normal. Nor does choosing not to do so make you an 'introvert', which I'll just add, is an incorrect term since it has nothing to do with social anxiety.
However, I think certain topics can interest other RPers and maybe enforce them to break that norm and involve themselves or find reason to stumble in to the scene without implying they were eavesdropping or overheard anything. Aside from that, it is a clear indicator that RP is going on and it'd be much nicer to be able to see where RP is active rather than walking though an area filled with 'open' RP but no-one being able to join a scene because the others decided to invite interested RPers to a party, leading to late joiners assume nothing is going on.