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RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - Sounsyy - 10-30-2014
Did someone say "lore"?
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - Melkire - 10-30-2014
I don't have the time to dedicate to actually record lore and write it down in articles, but if you guys needs reviewers, or just someone to sit down, read an article over, and go "hey wait a second that doesn't sound right what about such and such?" then I'm totally down for that.
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - FreelanceWizard - 11-06-2014
Alrighty. Vector is now the default skin for people who are logged out, and it's the only skin you can now choose in your preferences.
Coming in the near future, I'll be removing the old skin entirely, so you'll be forced onto the new skin. If you want to See The Future now, log into the wiki, click on Preferences in the upper-right corner, click on Appearance, then choose "Vector" from the skin list (it's the only option now) and click Save.
I've moved many of the existing lore pages into the new namespace and tagged them with appropriate templates. Some of them badly need help, such as The Twelve (lots of what I think is speculation). Also, I need to come up with a new name for player-created things that aren't characters. I think calling the category "Fanon" or "Fan fiction" is rather dismissive, so I'm open to ideas. Back in the CoH days, I called it "Player-created X", where X is what it was (so Player-created Organizations, Player-created NPCs, etc.), but that's a rather clunky name, I think.
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - Maril - 11-08-2014
(11-06-2014, 06:18 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Alrighty. Vector is now the default skin for people who are logged out, and it's the only skin you can now choose in your preferences.
Coming in the near future, I'll be removing the old skin entirely, so you'll be forced onto the new skin. If you want to See The Future now, log into the wiki, click on Preferences in the upper-right corner, click on Appearance, then choose "Vector" from the skin list (it's the only option now) and click Save.
I've moved many of the existing lore pages into the new namespace and tagged them with appropriate templates. Some of them badly need help, such as The Twelve (lots of what I think is speculation). Also, I need to come up with a new name for player-created things that aren't characters. I think calling the category "Fanon" or "Fan fiction" is rather dismissive, so I'm open to ideas. Back in the CoH days, I called it "Player-created X", where X is what it was (so Player-created Organizations, Player-created NPCs, etc.), but that's a rather clunky name, I think.
What about something like props? I was thinking of the theatrical world and.. I guess, for example a player created organization or town or whatever could sort of be regarded as a prop that one uses for ones RP.Â
Otherwise, I like the look of everything so far
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - FreelanceWizard - 11-10-2014
Hmm, that's an interesting idea, using theatre nomenclature for the player-created things.
What about:
- Prop -- objects, literature, NPCs, and other artifacts
- Scene -- locations
- Troupe -- groups and factions
- Stagecraft -- parent category for all of the above
Player characters will still go under Character and SE NPCs will still go under NPC (which will be a Lore category).
What does everyone think? Is this, perhaps, a bit too lyrical to be easily understood?
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - FreelanceWizard - 11-13-2014
*poke* No thoughts on the above?
I've also gone ahead and moved everyone to the new Vector-based skin. If you run into any weirdness that isn't caused by a page's design (I know some pages do some funky stuff with divs that can implode the skin), let me know.
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - Melkire - 11-13-2014
I like the idea of using theater nomenclature in place of clunky/unwieldy titles ("Player-created", "Unofficial", etc.) but I'm a little concerned that folks new to the lore wiki will take one look at those names ("Props," etc.) and not immediately grasp that those categories service unofficial elements not canonized by Square-Enix.
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - Maril - 11-14-2014
(11-13-2014, 06:24 PM)Melkire Wrote: I like the idea of using theater nomenclature in place of clunky/unwieldy titles ("Player-created", "Unofficial", etc.) but I'm a little concerned that folks new to the lore wiki will take one look at those names ("Props," etc.) and not immediately grasp that those categories service unofficial elements not canonized by Square-Enix.
How about including a small disclaimer (possibly one people can make poof once they have read it) that explains it on the articles they would affect?
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - FreelanceWizard - 11-15-2014
Hmm, that's an interesting point. I'm hoping that we can reduce confusion a few ways:
- Lore pages all have a blue background and the flagged revs stuff at the top.
- All the non-lore categories will have text indicating they're player-created in the category description.
- There'll be a new sidebar panel for player-created things. (Generally, I plan on reorganizing the sidebar. I think there's too many options and too much mixing of lore and non-lore.)
- The non-lore categories will be in a different category structure than the lore categories.
- Everything in the main namespace is player-created and looks the same (white background, no flagged revs interface, no Lore prefix to the page).
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - ansemaru - 11-15-2014
I might have something that's of use for this.
Or, rather, several somethings.
Over the past month, I've undertaken an effort to compile all lore-related text from disparate sources in the game- various logs (minion, mount, sightseeing), leves, fates, item descriptions, npc dialogue, etc.- and distill it into a resource organized around lore information rather than un-networked gameplay description such as in the cases of the Gamerescape wiki and xivdb. It's incomplete as of now and done wholly independently of actual wiki projects, but I can lend you the efforts I've made to compile, double-check, and cite these texts under the umbrella of Operation Raimdelle.
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - Edgar - 11-15-2014
While we're all discussing the lovely wiki, I couldn't help but notice that the layout of the main page remains untouched.
Maybe we should pretty it up a bit?
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - FreelanceWizard - 11-17-2014
What would we like to see on the main page? I'm certainly amenable to making adjustments.
If anyone else wants to try their hand at creating a new main page, I recommend doing a "sandbox." To do that, create a subpage of your user page (such as, say User:FreelanceWizard/MainPageSandbox, if I were to do it), do your edits there, then tell us what the page name is here.
For example, http://wiki.ffxiv-roleplayers.com/pages/User:FreelanceWizard/Sandbox1 is my sandbox for a tabbed version of L'yhta's page.
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - FreelanceWizard - 12-02-2014
I spent some time today building the Stagecraft categories and moving pages out of Category:Literature and into appropriate Stagecraft categories. I've created some initial subcategories, such as Tavern, Free Company (yes, you can now have a page for your free company in addition to the LS Hall post!), and Linkshell, but if anyone else has other subcategory ideas, feel free to create those categories and put them in the appropriate Stagecraft category.
I'm still going through some of the existing sidebar content and combining/moving pages as appropriate. I want to shrink the sidebar down so that it's more useful for primary use cases (finding characters, finding lore, and finding groups) and so that all the lore is in the Lore namespace, properly tagged, and ready for editing and review.
Speaking of... if you want to get involved with wikilore, this is a good time! Be Bold and start editing those Lore pages! Don't worry if it's not perfect, because that's the greatness of a wiki. Do, however, be sure any content you include is referenced in some way. If you don't know how to do citations in wiki format, that's fine; just note the source and someone else can wikify it later. If you just want to find and note references, that's great, too! The wiki desperately needs reference finding, especially for old 1.0 content.
I'm still open to ideas for main page designs...
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - ArmachiA - 12-02-2014
Oh, so we can start adding lore then?
RE: WikiLore planning and discussion - FreelanceWizard - 12-02-2014
Yep! If there's not a page for it already, go ahead and create a new one in the Lore namespace (just prefix its title with "Lore:") and be sure to add it to one or more of the lore categories (Category:Lore and its children).
I'm going to be working on moving the NPC, Grand Company, and race lore over the Lore namespace over the next few days, but feel free to start adding new stuff and references now.