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RE: Character from the Far East? - TheWizard - 10-24-2014

I have a Doman character named Haihane Shiranui and I'm also starting up a Doman FC with the help of some friends if you want to get involved with that. Our goal is to get a house and make it a haven for all Doman players, not just those in the FC.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Verranicus - 10-24-2014

(10-24-2014, 09:40 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: Well to be fair... There are still those who say they had been living in Ala Mhigo and moved over from there, and it's hard to describe what that place really looked like too. This applies to Garlemald too.

So most of these hidden lands are yet to be unveiled and we are indeed ending up playing devil's advocate and just go along with it for now.

Chances are that Doma is probably exactly what Japan's Edo era was (Oda reign). But that's just my grain of salt and I've decided to play with it.

(10-24-2014, 10:13 AM)Aldotsk Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 09:49 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 09:40 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: Chances are that Doma is probably exactly what Japan's Edo era was (Oda reign). But that's just my grain of salt and I've decided to play with it.

That's blind optimism and hopes, nothing more. Aside from a couple of vaguely-japanese-sounding-names there's not a single thing to dictate what Doma is going to be like.

You DO realize it was conquered by Garlemald, right? You know what conquering civilizations tend to do to the old cultures, right?

Debatable. Not -all- countries get developed right away after they were conquered. It takes lot of decades for old civilizations and cultures to slowly fade away.

During Meiji to early 1900 period, it took China, Korea and Japan to slowly accept westerner cultures, and also it took a long time for China and Korea to have their cultures disappear. Took at least 20-40 years to accept modernization since they were conquered.

Everything is just a prediction as Berrod says, and we don't know anything about it.

As for my far east character, she's from an island away from Othard and Doma that is in a civil war within their own clans. So it's really a bit different from actual people who live in Doma to avoid any lore conflicts. It's just a hint that her clans do have ninjas and samurais (swordsman to current term).

There is still yet to see if Ala Mhigo completely inherited technology of Garleans yet anyways. We'll have to see by Heavensward maybe if it gives us the opportunity to see further norther regions.
It's a huge leap to assume Doma has clans or anything even remotely close to a Japanese culture, and going as far as saying "oh it's a small island you've never heard of it" is just an excuse to not have to stay within the confines of the lore we do have.

You can protest all you want, but people are latching onto this Doma = Japan thing just because for whatever reason since anime became a mainstream thing some people have become obsessed with Japan and Japanese culture (or what they think is Japanese culture from watching anime). It gives them an out for their non-canon name and an excuse to skirt the edges of the established canon by referencing a part of the world we have no information on.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Marisa - 10-24-2014

(10-24-2014, 11:01 PM)undefined Wrote: You can protest all you want, but people are latching onto this Doma = Japan thing just because for whatever reason since anime became a mainstream thing some people have become obsessed with Japan and Japanese culture (or what they think is Japanese culture from watching anime). It gives them an out for their non-canon name and an excuse to skirt the edges of the established canon by referencing a part of the world we have no information on.
Just to play devil's advocate, I'm going to imagine that Doma is analogous to India simply because of the way they dress (normal clothes being long, sack-like shirts, fancy clothes being, well, what Yugiri is wearing)

RE: Character from the Far East? - Azureus Scipio - 10-24-2014

(10-24-2014, 11:21 PM)Ryoko Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:01 PM)undefined Wrote: You can protest all you want, but people are latching onto this Doma = Japan thing just because for whatever reason since anime became a mainstream thing some people have become obsessed with Japan and Japanese culture (or what they think is Japanese culture from watching anime). It gives them an out for their non-canon name and an excuse to skirt the edges of the established canon by referencing a part of the world we have no information on.
Just to play devil's advocate, I'm going to imagine that Doma is analogous to India simply because of the way they dress (normal clothes being long, sack-like shirts, fancy clothes being, well, what Yugiri is wearing)

But If I can recall correctly. Doma is japan based... I wouldent doubt however, that a place based on India is somwhere in Hydaelyn.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Verranicus - 10-24-2014

(10-24-2014, 11:26 PM)Azureus Galthens Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:21 PM)Ryoko Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:01 PM)undefined Wrote: You can protest all you want, but people are latching onto this Doma = Japan thing just because for whatever reason since anime became a mainstream thing some people have become obsessed with Japan and Japanese culture (or what they think is Japanese culture from watching anime). It gives them an out for their non-canon name and an excuse to skirt the edges of the established canon by referencing a part of the world we have no information on.
Just to play devil's advocate, I'm going to imagine that Doma is analogous to India simply because of the way they dress (normal clothes being long, sack-like shirts, fancy clothes being, well, what Yugiri is wearing)

But If I can recall correctly. Doma is japan based... I wouldent doubt however, that a place based on India is somwhere in Hydaelyn.
What are you recalling, exactly?

RE: Character from the Far East? - Marisa - 10-24-2014

If we're assuming Doma is Japan-based simply because of ninjas, well, assassin's are hardly unique to Japan. As for people attributing the yukatas to Doma, I'd say it's more likely they came from wherever the Heavensturn people originated from, and that was (I think) never said to be Doma. And I'd certainly think it wasn't, because with Doma being purged by the Empire, I doubt there are a lot of Doman tourists wandering around.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Gaspard - 10-24-2014

I guess it comes down to the degree you take the Japan culture porting.

There's taking a bit of it, and there's ripping it 90 percent.


For example; Highlanders are more or less taking after the Nordic folk, such as old Viking cultures, with their teutonic/germanic names etc, which is fine.

It does become a bit overburdening if your name is Loki Mjönir however, preying to the Deity of Adin the Wanderer, Who's son is also your Tribe-Leader by the name of Thur.

The biggest issue is that people, not being from Japan as such forget just how unoriginal it is to simply take and mix things you can grab. It may not seem so bad if your char is called Ryonosuke Tsubasa, the Ninja from a japan-esque continent with clans of ninjas warring against eachother, but if you'd shift that into more familiar context, you'd quickly understand the cringe-worthiness of it.

So yes, FFXIV takes 'alot' of inspiration from real world history and blends/likens it to Final fantasy standards, but it does not outright -port- the entire thing over. If it would, Shiva would have to be the exclusive goddess of the Indian esque culture (That being Thavnarian I think), instead of a simple Primal, Odin wouldn't be a Primal of his own but the god of the Highlanders etc etc etc.

I guess what people are trying to say is 'be wary of the conclusions you jump to', because you might be jumping into a straighout pit from where there's no return character-concept wise.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Edgar - 10-24-2014

(10-24-2014, 11:01 PM)Verranicus Wrote: You can protest all you want, but people are latching onto this Doma = Japan thing just because for whatever reason since anime became a mainstream thing some people have become obsessed with Japan and Japanese culture (or what they think is Japanese culture from watching anime). It gives them an out for their non-canon name and an excuse to skirt the edges of the established canon by referencing a part of the world we have no information on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I cannot help but feel you just called us a bunch of weeaboos.

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RE: Character from the Far East? - Verranicus - 10-25-2014

(10-24-2014, 11:56 PM)Edgar Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:01 PM)Verranicus Wrote: You can protest all you want, but people are latching onto this Doma = Japan thing just because for whatever reason since anime became a mainstream thing some people have become obsessed with Japan and Japanese culture (or what they think is Japanese culture from watching anime). It gives them an out for their non-canon name and an excuse to skirt the edges of the established canon by referencing a part of the world we have no information on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I cannot help but feel you just called us a bunch of weeaboos.

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If the shoe fits.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Gaspard - 10-25-2014

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If the shoe fits indeed.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Verranicus - 10-25-2014

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If the shoe fits indeed.
It's from a video game, actually. I appreciate stuff that comes from Japan (like the vast majority of video games), I don't obsess over it and desperately try to surround myself with what I think is the culture.

Nice try though.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Gaspard - 10-25-2014

catch 22, you surround yourself with japanese games(FFXIV) and an avatar from a japanese game. You clearly are a Weeaboo.

Or; I don't believe anyone here qualifies as a Weeaboo unless you finish buying your groceries with 'Arigato', or spam Kawai Desukane Senpai notice me lines.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Edgar - 10-25-2014

"I'm right because you're all a bunch of anime/japan obsessed faggots. Because I said so. Shut up."

If the shoe fits. And the brand of this shoe is "Insane Troll Logic."

This is what, the second thread you've showed up on just to insult people and call Doma theorists a bunch of Japan-worshiping zombies? Unless I haven't checked your history thoroughly enough.

If you have nothing good to contribute, stop derailing the thread with your nonsense and get out.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Marisa - 10-25-2014

(10-25-2014, 12:28 AM)Gaspard Wrote: catch 22, you surround yourself with japanese games(FFXIV) and an avatar from a japanese game. You clearly are a Weeaboo.

Or; I don't believe anyone here qualifies as a Weeaboo unless you finish buying your groceries with 'Arigato', or spam Kawai Desukane Senpai notice me lines.
Personally, I feel like the "weeaboo" classification is really easy to assign. 

"Japanese culture is objectively superior to my own people's culture" (True | False)

Whether or not you're a weeaboo is completely determined by how you'd answer that. If you like something Japanese, but not specifically because it's Japanese, then you're not a weeb. You're just a nerd, like the rest of us. 

Well, somebody is also a weeb if they refuse to watch a tv show just because it's in english. But that's another subject entirely.

RE: Character from the Far East? - Azureus Scipio - 10-25-2014

(10-24-2014, 11:27 PM)Verranicus Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:26 PM)Azureus Galthens Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:21 PM)Ryoko Wrote:
(10-24-2014, 11:01 PM)undefined Wrote: You can protest all you want, but people are latching onto this Doma = Japan thing just because for whatever reason since anime became a mainstream thing some people have become obsessed with Japan and Japanese culture (or what they think is Japanese culture from watching anime). It gives them an out for their non-canon name and an excuse to skirt the edges of the established canon by referencing a part of the world we have no information on.
Just to play devil's advocate, I'm going to imagine that Doma is analogous to India simply because of the way they dress (normal clothes being long, sack-like shirts, fancy clothes being, well, what Yugiri is wearing)

But If I can recall correctly. Doma is japan based... I wouldent doubt however, that a place based on India is somwhere in Hydaelyn.
What are you recalling, exactly?

I remember reading somwhere stating that Doma is definately based on japan, I'm just trying to find the exact source i read it from.