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RE: Is this common for tanks? - Flickering Ember - 05-19-2015
Going back to the original topic, yes it is common for tanks to be under geared, as well as any other class. My equipment is usually many levels underneath my own. Sounsyy pretty much already stated the reasons why in an earlier post. Updating equipment every five levels is really costly, especially for someone who doesn't actively go out and grind gil. I usually rely on dungeons drops to gear myself leveling up. This also means that it is harder to replace with gear off the market board. I've found that dungeon gear can still be better than here a few levels higher than it.
I did level up marauder/warrior to 50. Although I did have a few bad groups, most of my runs have gone well enough.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Kellach Woods - 05-20-2015
During my first run of MRD/WAR up to 50, I don't think I had any problems with threat up until... level 50, where my i49 weapon just wouldn't cut it.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Gegenji - 05-20-2015
Usually my threat issues - especially on Judge when I was rushing him through the MSQ and he was almost constantly under-geared - came from getting someone doing their relic or (especially once I hit the level 50 stuff) just getting someone who was solidly well geared. It's always going to be difficult being i50 or even as high as i90 and getting paired with DPS that has an iLevel in the triple-digits.
... That said, I somehow kept stealing aggro from better geared tanks when doing the Primals. Likely because I use the full Unleash combo off the bat and even with low-level gear, that sort of damage attracts a lot of hate.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Asmodean - 05-20-2015
(05-20-2015, 07:54 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: During my first run of MRD/WAR up to 50, I don't think I had any problems with threat up until... level 50, where my i49 weapon just wouldn't cut it. As a tank main on Ultros I can say I see this happens a lot for new players having just hit 50. I can never stress enough how important you weapon is. I have seen player try mass pulls in things like Brayflox Hard with Ilevel 90 weapon and they think they can handle it, while both dps have 130/135. People just don't seem to think about how geared they are compared to others when doing dungeons now and I feel hurts the player base to a point.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Sounsyy - 05-20-2015
Did Battle on the Big Bridge as MRD the other day. Was just gonna dps cuz you don't need two tanks in that fight. Ended up getting paired with a new PLD that hadn't done the fight before. I winded up checking him cuz low HP. Turns out he was i50 maybe? Ifrit sword and VIT gear. I was like ohhhh there's no way this poor thing's gonna be able to keep hate off me even as MRD.
Lemme just say getting mini'd as MRD MT while both your new healers are frogged is NOT fun. Won though. PLD insisted on staying in Shield Oath the whole time though, even though he was 3rd on the hate list.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - LiadansWhisper - 05-21-2015
(05-20-2015, 01:28 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Did Battle on the Big Bridge as MRD the other day. Was just gonna dps cuz you don't need two tanks in that fight. Ended up getting paired with a new PLD that hadn't done the fight before. I winded up checking him cuz low HP. Turns out he was i50 maybe? Ifrit sword and VIT gear. I was like ohhhh there's no way this poor thing's gonna be able to keep hate off me even as MRD.
Lemme just say getting mini'd as MRD MT while both your new healers are frogged is NOT fun. Won though. PLD insisted on staying in Shield Oath the whole time though, even though he was 3rd on the hate list.
Bless his heart.
...I don't mind tanks being undergeared, but it would be nice if they wouldn't believe they were geared enough to pull half the instance and then start wailing about not getting heals when they die in 2-3 seconds.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015
(05-20-2015, 01:28 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Did Battle on the Big Bridge as MRD the other day. Was just gonna dps cuz you don't need two tanks in that fight. Ended up getting paired with a new PLD that hadn't done the fight before. I winded up checking him cuz low HP. Turns out he was i50 maybe? Ifrit sword and VIT gear. I was like ohhhh there's no way this poor thing's gonna be able to keep hate off me even as MRD.
Lemme just say getting mini'd as MRD MT while both your new healers are frogged is NOT fun. Won though. PLD insisted on staying in Shield Oath the whole time though, even though he was 3rd on the hate list.
this is one of the many, MANY reasons I do not like that VIT is completely useless (or that VIT gear exists in the first place)
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Aduu Avagnar - 05-21-2015
I use Vit gear, cause I don't trust pug healers, don't have issues with threat and it works for me. That said, with the expanding of the Poetics Cap I am going to be picking up STR gear.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015
(05-21-2015, 07:33 AM)Nako Wrote: I use Vit gear, cause I don't trust pug healers, don't have issues with threat and it works for me. That said, with the expanding of the Poetics Cap I am going to be picking up STR gear.
You may as well at least for accessories, since they'll work for MNK and DRG.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Gegenji - 05-21-2015
(05-21-2015, 07:37 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote:(05-21-2015, 07:33 AM)Nako Wrote: I use Vit gear, cause I don't trust pug healers, don't have issues with threat and it works for me. That said, with the expanding of the Poetics Cap I am going to be picking up STR gear.
You may as well at least for accessories, since they'll work for MNK and DRG.
Another reason why I like having the STR accessories - especially on Gogon. That's four classes that are sharing right side, saving my Poetics for other things. It's combat-effective AND cost-effective!
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015
Honestly, I just hope they phase out the VIT accessories at level 60.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - McBeefâ„¢ - 05-21-2015
VIT is very useful...
It's just not that useful outside of progression raiding.
If you did t5, t9, or t13 during progression, and didn't essentially max out on vit, you would get instant killed by many abilities as a tank.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Kellach Woods - 05-21-2015
So, uh, it's useful for a very minor subsection of people, in very limited context.
Sounds like they could just do away with that, roll the extra VIT into Shield Oath/Defiance, and save people the headache.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - Melkire - 05-21-2015
I asked a buddy of mine back when FCoB was released what T13 was like. He told me it was Flare Central and Land of VIT Jewels.
I'd say that was spot-on.
RE: Is this common for tanks? - McBeefâ„¢ - 05-21-2015
(05-21-2015, 07:45 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: So, uh, it's useful for a very minor subsection of people, in very limited context.
Sounds like they could just do away with that, roll the extra VIT into Shield Oath/Defiance, and save people the headache.
The game isn't balanced for casual players, its balanced for hardcore raiders. Everyone else is balanced off the needs of the 4 or 5% of people who progression raid.
They really only take balance into context based on raid content.
As an example, Black Mages always had bad single target dps, especially when moving, but they never cared. However when 2nd coil came out, they realized after a few weeks that black mages weren't as competitive. So they buffed their single target. Same thing with Dragoons in final coil.
If you've never done the raids in progression they all have aggressive rage timers and other dps race mechanics. Shaving off a bit of vitality for more STR and more dps is one of those little balancing acts.
Also other classes often had to wear VIT gear to survive t13 before nerfs came out, so it wasn't even just for tanks.
Accuracy caps and total HP are two things that are incredibly important for gearing in progression, but other than that you'd never run into them.