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RE: PSA: If You Want to Romance RP, Don't Make Your Character A Minor. - FreelanceWizard - 11-11-2014
(11-11-2014, 03:13 PM)Kailia Wrote: No problem, I only stated what my own character has been through in some of the RP threads on this site, and in game, and my views that works of fiction, don't make sense if real world law starts going after works of fiction.
I understand.
I wasn't responding to you specifically but just making an overall note on the thread to remind people that the scope of an evidentiary net spreads far beyond individuals, and so caution is warranted on this topic. #magicAdminHat
RE: PSA: If You Want to Romance RP, Don't Make Your Character A Minor. - Kailia - 11-11-2014
(11-11-2014, 03:09 PM)crowmeleon Wrote: So no, it is not just a matter of finding it 'icky'. I find inflation porn 'icky' but I don't judge those who participate in it so long as everyone involved consents. And no, it is not just happening behind closed doors. Despite ALL of this hubbub I said it before and I'll say it again- No one can force anyone to do anything. No one can force you to stop doing any kind of rp. No one can stop you from judging others. But the issue is that this material is no longer only happening behind closed doors between consenting parties. The fact that this has reached the point of people playing minors having to put 'NO ERP' in their search info or wikis is just ridiculous. We don't have to list 'no beastiality' or 'no bologna porn'. If you want to get pissed off at anyone, get pissed off at other people involved in that kind of rp that have been wantonly foisting it on others, thus resulting in this thread.Â
*I say majority because there are indeed countries in which the age of consent is 19, or 20 depending on situation (Though both countries allow sex with 15 year olds depending on gender and martial status with the other party).
Yeah, people doing that out in the open and forcing people who do roleplay minors being forced to put no ERP in their search info, definitely are a problem. And usually, those types are the actual pedophiles, since they seem to go out of their way to try to find minor depicted characters. And I agree, people shouldn't be harassed in that manner.
RE: PSA: If You Want to Romance RP, Don't Make Your Character A Minor. - Kinono - 11-11-2014
I'm leaning towards the "pointless fear-mongering" side of things, now. It's a topic that warrants discussion, but... If people are already engaging in this type of behavior (that is, forcing their kinks, unwarranted, into the public domain), Â be honest, do you think they're going to go on this board to see that people had a problem, and then offer to defend themselves or even stop said behavior? My gil is on 'no' to any of those scenarios. Consent has always been the golden rule of RP, and those who are gonna break it are gonna break it. All this topic seems to accomplish, from my perspective, is to guilt those who are engaging privately to feel like they're being publicly shamed, and causing them to (maybe down the road) emotionally lash out.
My character isn't underage, but she is lalafell, and this issue kept being brought up. The lack of distinction in some people's mind between "lalafell" and "child" is not lost on me. There are details within Kino's backstory that, according to multiple people in this thread, would cause them to raise their eyebrows. However, these details are intrinsic to her character, comparable to the details in Momodi's mail-quest. Ick, ew, how could I? I'm not a very public RPer. I mean, I use /say, /em, yada yada but I keep my general story and my characters within a fairly closed circle. As far as I know no one I've ever RP'd with has been made uncomfortable by either her backstory or her partners (while she was actively dating). But even if they were, I'd say "sorry, find another person to RP with, or another world to RP in, because them's the facts." I don't go out of my way to throw myself at people, or act lewd, or anything even close to resembling that. These type of relationships are not unheard of or uncommon within the world. The game itself presents these relationship as not-so-eyebrow-raising. If I were allowed to use XI as evidence, I'd point out the Valentione's day event, which... if I'm remembering correctly, paired up a male hume with a female tarutaru at least once.
Moving onto purely age, IC, there's a soft line that's mostly completely dissolved by age 18. barring that, my personal opinion is that as long as they're close-ish in age and the relationship is believable and not obviously slapped together and duct-taped for fantasy fulfillment. Even then, I won't point them out publicly and say "wow, look at the freaks with their freaky freak fetish." I'll just choose not to RP with them, because, regardless of the relationship, that's just sloppy RP.
Humans (and, I'm going to assume any humanoid fantasy creatures, in this case) are sexual beings before what is considered legal. The legality is determined locally by either common belief or what is determined to be "old enough" to deal with the consequences. In real life, I was (E)RPing at 15 and I'd be the first to assure everyone that it was awkward and hack-neyed as hell. In character, I'm fine with those themes of awkwardness being explored by other people, because it's a genuinely funny (in retrospect) aspect of the human(oid) condition.
tl;dr: Remember, the golden rule of RP is and always will be consent. Those who break it will continue to do so. No need to bring personal kinks into it.
RE: PSA: If You Want to Romance RP, Don't Make Your Character A Minor. - Tiergan - 11-11-2014
We already established far earlier in the thread that adults RPing adult-lalas can do what they like because they're adults. I also mentioned I'm okay with teenagers-characters close in age doing things respectfully.
I'm more focused on somewhat predatory tactics of characters who are clearly adults vs characters who are very clearly children and how it's becoming normalized to the point where people are actually telling me I should put a 'No ERP" tag for my 15 year old character to ward off adult characters who are into that particular 'fetish'. Shouldn't that just be a given?
RE: PSA: If You Want to Romance RP, Don't Make Your Character A Minor. - Kailia - 11-11-2014
(11-11-2014, 05:34 PM)Tiergan Wrote: We already established far earlier in the thread that adults RPing adult-lalas can do what they like because they're adults. Â I also mentioned I'm okay with teenagers-characters close in age doing things respectfully.
I'm more focused on somewhat predatory tactics of characters who are clearly adults vs characters who are very clearly children and how it's becoming normalized to the point where people are actually telling me I should put a 'No ERP" tag for my 15 year old character to ward off adult characters who are into that particular 'fetish'. Â Shouldn't that just be a given?
Well as bad as being suggested to put a "No ERP" tag into your 15 year old character's search, I can tell you having played on Moon Guard as Horde in World of Warcraft, things were way worse. Just being a female character of any race and logging in, you'd get whispers. And none of them even trying to get consent. But keep in mind this was during mid-Wrath of the Lich King days. But seeing as I left that game for good, I've no idea if it's the same or gotten worse.
In the end, if they are aware of your character's age, and still try to coerce your character into sex, then they are predators trying to fill their kink and you can also open a ticket with the GM's about it. Especially if you tell them OOCly your character is a child. Those types should most definitely be reported.
RE: PSA: If You Want to Romance RP, Don't Make Your Character A Minor. - Chlodomer - 11-11-2014
(11-11-2014, 05:34 PM)Tiergan Wrote: I'm more focused on somewhat predatory tactics of characters who are clearly adults vs characters who are very clearly children and how it's becoming normalized to the point where people are actually telling me I should put a 'No ERP" tag for my 15 year old character to ward off adult characters who are into that particular 'fetish'. Shouldn't that just be a given?
You can't stop people from being people, whether things are legal or not.
Lets also be honest, people tend to judge the character in question by its in game model, rather than what is in writing.
People will do what they want to do no matter what consequences come ahead of them. At the end of the day it's their problem depending on how well you handle the situation.
Unfortunately, this is an issue that has and will be present for a long time.
RE: PSA: If You Want to Romance RP, Don't Make Your Character A Minor. - Gwen - 11-12-2014
This isn't really very different in the real world either, to be honest. Obviously less so for a fifteen year old than an eighteen, but do you really think some randy person in a bar is going to stop approaching someone who looks a bit younger? (Might just be an English thing though, since 16 year olds and all.) But isn't it supposed to be hard to tell the age of a lala? Even if they act childish that doesn't really give away much at all.
It's annoying, but as Bart said, you can't stop people from being people. I would suggest just sticking the non-ERP tag in your message just to avoid the ERP only RPers anyway. -- Though I doubt it would stop many of them.
RE: PSA: If You Want to Romance RP, Don't Make Your Character A Minor. - Kellach Woods - 11-12-2014
(11-11-2014, 05:34 PM)Tiergan Wrote: I'm more focused on somewhat predatory tactics of characters who are clearly adults vs characters who are very clearly children and how it's becoming normalized to the point where people are actually telling me I should put a 'No ERP" tag for my 15 year old character to ward off adult characters who are into that particular 'fetish'. Â Shouldn't that just be a given?To be honest, since FFXIV isn't (GASP) ERP centric you shouldn't have to put that tag. Especially since as some people in the thread have said, it likely wouldn't stop any of them.
RE: PSA: If You Want to Romance RP, Don't Make Your Character A Minor. - Kinono - 11-12-2014
Yeah, the no ERP tag thing is a bit ridiculous. People shouldn't be making unwarranted advances like that regardless.