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RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - McBeefâ„¢ - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 07:26 PM)Nero Wrote:(08-02-2015, 05:06 PM)Graeham Wrote:(08-02-2015, 05:00 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: you seriphyn etc.
Racist characters are interesting - especially if they have a good reason to be the way that they are. A soldier who fought against the Garlean invaders and lost his comrades during the Battle of Carteanau is very likely to distrust anyone and anything related to the Garlean Empire.
So when that soldier meets a Garlean who happens to be reasonable and morally pure...there's a good deal of room for interesting conflict in my opinion.
But it's not just about creating conflict; its about making conflict that is compelling and believable. The thing with racism and prejudice in Eorzea is that as far as the general population goes, creating a character who is racist for reasons that aren't arbitrary is rather difficult because the setting emphasizes a mingling of cultures and a certain open-mindedness that comes from being constantly exposed to different races and customs.
An Ishgardian might be racist to Au Ra. A Gridanian might be racist to Keepers and Duskwight. Eorzeans in general will be heavily prejudiced against Garleans. Eorzeans might also discriminate against Ala Mhigans, particularly Gridanians and Ul'dahns. Ala Mhigans might be particularly distasteful of Ul'dah.
When you get outside of the realm of ethnic and social conflicts--of which Eorzea does not have very many with the notable exceptions above--a character's reasons for being a racist very quickly boils down into an amalgam of Freudian excuses and anecdotes, which are often as easy to dismiss in RP as they are in real life.
I'm not against racism and conflict in RP. I am very much against those things being arbitrary, poorly defined, or difficult to justify.
That's kind of how racism is though. I don't think most contemporary racists could give you a bullet point list of reasons about why they're racist. Most of them probably don't even think they are.
I think Racism is often at its core nonsensical, and just brought out by latent fears and worries in populations. I'm not always sure it needs strict lore justifications. Obviously it should make a little sense but 'Fear of the Other' is often reason enough.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - V'aleera - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 07:37 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: I think Racism is often at its core nonsensical, and just brought out by latent fears and worries in populations. I'm not always sure it needs strict lore justifications. Obviously it should make a little sense but 'Fear of the Other' is often reason enough.Playing an nationalist Ishgardian is extremely fun because it's nonsensical and lacks logical justification.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Fox - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 07:37 PM)Graeham Wrote: Experiences differ, I suppose. I can't say I've seen many role-players who have handled racism poorly or made it the primary driving point of their character. Nor is anybody suggesting that every other character should be racist or that there needs to be more of it.
It's merely a matter of people suggesting that since the setting actively portrays and supports such themes then it'd be pretty great if there was more of it to be found within role-play.
Otherwise there's a real risk of stagnation.
Unfortunately I have seen this, a little in XIV; but extremely so in a different game that I played for a few years. The biggest problem I have with rping racism, is that I have seen it go very over the top. People -have- used it as an excuse to play the "My character is racist not me tee-hee so I'll use the character as a weapon to attack you and pretend that I'm not responsible." Keep in mind; this is completely different than having a racist character. This is not ic-blurring on the part of the person who gets targeted. It gets very old.
We as rpers -have- control over our characters. Using them as a weapon to attack other players, which I have personally seen; is screwed up. And it does happen. I've dealt with it, I've seen other people purposefully targeted. There are people who do this and it sucks. This is not to say that you do it Graeham, I've seen enough of your posts to know that for you- you use it as a plot device.
Regrettably there are those who use it to incite drama and overall be a jackass hiding behind a character.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Marisa - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 07:26 PM)Nero Wrote:(08-02-2015, 05:06 PM)Graeham Wrote:(08-02-2015, 05:00 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: you seriphyn etc.
Racist characters are interesting - especially if they have a good reason to be the way that they are. A soldier who fought against the Garlean invaders and lost his comrades during the Battle of Carteanau is very likely to distrust anyone and anything related to the Garlean Empire.
So when that soldier meets a Garlean who happens to be reasonable and morally pure...there's a good deal of room for interesting conflict in my opinion.
But it's not just about creating conflict; its about making conflict that is compelling and believable. The thing with racism and prejudice in Eorzea is that as far as the general population goes, creating a character who is racist for reasons that aren't arbitrary is rather difficult because the setting emphasizes a mingling of cultures and a certain open-mindedness that comes from being constantly exposed to different races and customs.
An Ishgardian might be racist to Au Ra. A Gridanian might be racist to Keepers and Duskwight. Eorzeans in general will be heavily prejudiced against Garleans. Eorzeans might also discriminate against Ala Mhigans, particularly Gridanians and Ul'dahns. Ala Mhigans might be particularly distasteful of Ul'dah.
When you get outside of the realm of ethnic and social conflicts--of which Eorzea does not have very many with the notable exceptions above--a character's reasons for being a racist very quickly boils down into an amalgam of Freudian excuses and anecdotes, which are often as easy to dismiss in RP as they are in real life.
I'm not against racism and conflict in RP. I am very much against those things being arbitrary, poorly defined, or difficult to justify.
As someone who is, admittedly, a little bit racist in the real world, I can assure you that most prejudices are arbitrary. Example, why do I think more favorably about Chinese immigrants than Japanese immigrants? Because the one Japanese guy I know is a jackass, and the couple Chinese people I know are super nice. I based my entire perception of those races off those few people because that's just how the human mind works. So yeah, if the first Au Ra I ever met rubbed me the wrong way, I'd subconsciously start to dislike all of them until somebody changed my mind otherwise.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Cato - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 07:46 PM)Foxberry Wrote:(08-02-2015, 07:37 PM)Graeham Wrote: Experiences differ, I suppose. I can't say I've seen many role-players who have handled racism poorly or made it the primary driving point of their character. Nor is anybody suggesting that every other character should be racist or that there needs to be more of it.
It's merely a matter of people suggesting that since the setting actively portrays and supports such themes then it'd be pretty great if there was more of it to be found within role-play.
Otherwise there's a real risk of stagnation.
Unfortunately I have seen this, a little in XIV; but extremely so in a different game that I played for a few years. The biggest problem I have with rping racism, is that I have seen it go very over the top. People -have- used it as an excuse to play the "My character is racist not me tee-hee so I'll use the character as a weapon to attack you and pretend that I'm not responsible." Keep in mind; this is completely different than having a racist character. This is not ic-blurring on the part of the person who gets targeted. It gets very old.
We as rpers -have- control over our characters. Using them as a weapon to attack other players, which I have personally seen; is screwed up. And it does happen. I've dealt with it, I've seen other people purposefully targeted. There are people who do this and it sucks. This is not to say that you do it Graeham, I've seen enough of your posts to know that for you- you use it as a plot device.
Regrettably there are those who use it to incite drama and overall be a jackass hiding behind a character.
Fair point. I don't doubt that it happens - I've seen something similar play out myself in the past but in that case it was more a matter of people using their character's IC influence within the community to deliberately screw over the characters of people they didn't like OOC.
On my end Graeham isn't really racist, largely because he's experienced discrimination first hand based on his heritage and he's striving to unite Eorzea (and potentially the lands beyond) which would only work if he could stomach the differences between the various races and cultures.
So I'm mostly debating from the perspective of someone who really wants more foils/obstacles to overcome IC. I'm pretty fond of 'grit' in my role-play. Not in excess, though, and certainly not at the cost of losing out on the more lighthearted stuff.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Nero - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 07:47 PM)Marisa Wrote: As someone who is, admittedly, a little bit racist in the real world, I can assure you that most prejudices are arbitrary. Example, why do I think more favorably about Chinese immigrants than Japanese immigrants? Because the one Japanese guy I know is a jackass, and the couple Chinese people I know are super nice. I based my entire perception of those races off those few people because that's just how the human mind works. So yeah, if the first Au Ra I ever met rubbed me the wrong way, I'd subconsciously start to dislike all of them until somebody changed my mind otherwise.
(08-02-2015, 07:37 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: That's kind of how racism is though. I don't think most contemporary racists could give you a bullet point list of reasons about why they're racist. Most of them probably don't even think they are.
I think Racism is often at its core nonsensical, and just brought out by latent fears and worries in populations. I'm not always sure it needs strict lore justifications. Obviously it should make a little sense but 'Fear of the Other' is often reason enough.
To further clarify my point, I'm not disputing the irrationality or unaccountable nature of racism and the concept of prejudice as a whole. I think most everyone can agree that such things are inherently a byproduct of the unreasonableness that resides in every human brain. What I am saying is that if you intend to play the "racist" character trait for meaningful drama, having that racism be arbitrary or nonsensical effectively kills that drama and makes it trite and banal.
Graeham's prejudice against Garleans example is a specimen of a character trait being substantial in its makeup that can lend itself to compelling conflict.
Saying your character hates Lalafells because the Lalafells keep screwing them over on shop prices is barely enough to warrant a footnote in a character's trivia section.
Perhaps I'm merely beating the dead horse so vigorously that I'm mistaking its necrotic twitching for signs of life, but my end point remains: it's not unreasonable in the slightest to ask for variety and accurate representation of the setting by playing as a racist or prejudiced character. But if you intend to make that racism or prejudice important in a narrative, then the trait of that racism or prejudice has to be set up in a way that is significant to not only the character, but the audience as well, and Eorzea does not have too many avenues for that besides the aforementioned ethnic conflicts.
An Ala Mhigan being racist to Au Ra? A Limsa Lominsan being racist to a Dunesfolk Lalafell? A Gridanian being racist to a Seeker Miqo'te? An Ul'dahn being racist to a Hellsguard? These are things that have to be well-defined beyond Freudian excuse and lame anecdotal evidence to be taken the slightest bit seriously within the setting or at the least, within a narrative. Otherwise, the prejudice seems forcibly shoehorned and awkward and only serves to make the character as a whole less believable.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Fox - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 07:57 PM)Graeham Wrote: Fair point. I don't doubt that it happens - I've seen something similar play out myself in the past but in that case it was more a matter of people using their character's IC influence within the community to deliberately screw over the characters of people they didn't like OOC.
On my end Graeham isn't really racist, largely because he's experienced discrimination first hand based on his heritage and he's striving to unite Eorzea (and potentially the lands beyond) which would only work if he could stomach the differences between the various races and cultures.
So I'm mostly debating from the perspective of someone who really wants more foils/obstacles to overcome IC. I'm pretty fond of 'grit' in my role-play. Not in excess, though, and certainly not at the cost of losing out on the more lighthearted stuff.
Oh no, I don't doubt you. I also totally understand, I play dark themes personally as well. I mean I wouldn't be playing a DRK icly if I didn't enjoy darker themes. I also think racism has a place in the game. My miqo'te is racist and she is sexist in some regards. My dislike however comes at a broader aspect where I've seen it done very over the top and without good context as Nero has pointed out.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Caspar - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 06:03 PM)Edda Wrote:I totally agree, and I also agree with what Nero said. Personally I feel the problem is not that the players don't represent the setting, but rather that it seems more important to create conflict in an interesting way. Use racism as a narrative tool to bring insular characters into the same sphere. I think there is enough to support an open-minded, non racist attitude in a PC in the setting, as well as xenophobic hater. What matters more to me is whether or not the player can sell it, not whether everyone is in line and trying to stay appropriately loyal to some Westeros-esque headcanon.(08-02-2015, 05:06 PM)Graeham Wrote:Pretty much this. Obviously, we should not take things too far and respect the OOC wishes of others (communication is key here), but there is definitely value in RPing themes that are not necessarily pleasant. It's not about making things as grimdark and heavy-handed as possible - it's about creating conflict, which is hella fun to RP and really great for character interactions and development. Racial, national, and social tensions are a great way to introduce a good, healthy dose of conflict into your RP whilst fitting in nicely with the setting of the game.(08-02-2015, 05:00 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: you seriphyn etc.Racist characters are interesting - especially if they have a good reason to be the way that they are. A soldier who fought against the Garlean invaders and lost his comrades during the Battle of Carteanau is very likely to distrust anyone and anything related to the Garlean Empire.
So when that soldier meets a Garlean who happens to be reasonable and morally pure...there's a good deal of room for interesting conflict in my opinion.
For instance, if a character is horribly racist against a certain type, a "biased narrator" within emote dialogue can often hint at a greater, more personal malaise that leads them to lash out irrationally. (It's also been mentioned before that it does a great job at reassuring other players you don't share your character's belief system, if you're worried about that sort of thing.) It is not enough to simply throw slurs. Describing the way they look when they fixate on their xenophobia or how obsessive they are about it could suggest problems in their personal life with people of that race, or an upbringing that twisted their worldview. Maybe that curmudgeonly racist takes the usual, under the skin tension of Eorzea to open hatred levels because her father left her mother for a wandering Sea Wolf, or was bullied by roving bands of lalafell when she was a child. It obviously doesn't need to be that personal, but the point isn't really the content so much as your motivation for writing racism into your character. Are you doing it because it's how you see the setting, or because you want people to challenge your character and create a dialogue between theirs and yours? When I made my character, I *intended* for her to be proven wrong about a lot of things in her world view. People jumped onto the opportunity to "defuse the tykebomb" and tell her she is wrong about violence and the like, without me making any real effort to tell them, OOC, I wanted them to. It is not impossible that others aren't challenging your character's dogma because you're not expressing you want them to have their beliefs challenged clearly enough.
It will be more fun for all involved to slowly bring out that characteristic. It creates a story, where your character's racism is engaged with, and you determine whether they move beyond it, or not at all, and what kind of consequences it has. It isn't about setting building in this case, but rather using the setting to build a plot line. In the former case with OP, I feel the focus is more on getting players to reinforce common views on the setting to create a homogeneous, even playing field with consistent rules, a commonly echoed sentiment on the forums. Before people go and say I'm accusing them of policing, I would argue it's not even anything that effective; more like ineffectual hand-wringing over other people not being NPCs for you. They want to tell their story, not yours, unless you talk to them and meet them halfway. That's why someone suggests that other players want to ignore the setting, I argue it's more a matter of playing style and focusing on what interests the person in question than willful ignorance.
It is difficult to play with rp that confuses or invalidates your own. I get that. A huge amount of my old forum rp was done in a hideously inconsistent crossover setting. It drove me absolutely crazy to see a lot of people ignore the existence of the supernatural when there were people summoning out of the Goetia and wielding shamanistic magic next door. Some wanted to play the world as basically like ours, and others wanted a cyberpunk dystopia. Midgar and Chiba City existed in the same world as New York and Tokyo. Operators with CoD style guns fought alongside demigods and shinigami. It was, to put it in less polite terms, a clusterfuck.
That setting was incredibly bare bones and vague, plus player generated. There was no baseline. Trying to force a baseline behavior among players to fit your own perception of the setting isn't necessary here, though. The game itself already exists. We're all aware, or should owe it to ourselves, to try and pay attention to it, or there is no point in rp in FFXIV. That doesn't mean we've all obligated to play every element, or respond to every element, in the same way as everyone else. Moving away from whether or not someone fits the setting and towards how a character element, informed by the setting, can create interesting conflict, will solve that sticking point, in my opinion. The focus should be on how it can create the framework of a story rather than how to make people fit into the setting properly.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - UntrueCrystal - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 07:59 PM)Nero Wrote:(08-02-2015, 07:47 PM)Marisa Wrote: As someone who is, admittedly, a little bit racist in the real world, I can assure you that most prejudices are arbitrary. Example, why do I think more favorably about Chinese immigrants than Japanese immigrants? Because the one Japanese guy I know is a jackass, and the couple Chinese people I know are super nice. I based my entire perception of those races off those few people because that's just how the human mind works. So yeah, if the first Au Ra I ever met rubbed me the wrong way, I'd subconsciously start to dislike all of them until somebody changed my mind otherwise.
(08-02-2015, 07:37 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: That's kind of how racism is though. I don't think most contemporary racists could give you a bullet point list of reasons about why they're racist. Most of them probably don't even think they are.
I think Racism is often at its core nonsensical, and just brought out by latent fears and worries in populations. I'm not always sure it needs strict lore justifications. Obviously it should make a little sense but 'Fear of the Other' is often reason enough.
To further clarify my point, I'm not disputing the irrationality or unaccountable nature of racism and the concept of prejudice as a whole. I think most everyone can agree that such things are inherently a byproduct of the unreasonableness that resides in every human brain. What I am saying is that if you intend to play the "racist" character trait for meaningful drama, having that racism be arbitrary or nonsensical effectively kills that drama and makes it trite and banal.
Graeham's prejudice against Garleans example is a specimen of a character trait being substantial in its makeup that can lend itself to compelling conflict.
Saying your character hates Lalafells because the Lalafells keep screwing them over on shop prices is barely enough to warrant a footnote in a character's trivia section.
Perhaps I'm merely beating the dead horse so vigorously that I'm mistaking its necrotic twitching for signs of life, but my end point remains: it's not unreasonable in the slightest to ask for variety and accurate representation of the setting by playing as a racist or prejudiced character. But if you intend to make that racism or prejudice important in a narrative, then the trait of that racism or prejudice has to be set up in a way that is significant to not only the character, but the audience as well, and Eorzea does not have too many avenues for that besides the aforementioned ethnic conflicts.
An Ala Mhigan being racist to Au Ra? A Limsa Lominsan being racist to a Dunesfolk Lalafell? A Gridanian being racist to a Seeker Miqo'te? An Ul'dahn being racist to a Hellsguard? These are things that have to be well-defined beyond Freudian excuse and lame anecdotal evidence to be taken the slightest bit seriously within the setting or at the least, within a narrative. Otherwise, the prejudice seems forcibly shoehorned and awkward and only serves to make the character as a whole less believable.
I've seen a few Ala Mhigan refugees being racist towards Au Ra now and each time I roll my eyes so hard they fall out. Not only is there little to no lore supporting anyone being against theyr arrival in Eorzea (barring Ishgard for their obvious Dragon-y traits, but even that is never addressed by the setting itself), but the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife.
Like I said, people invent things to make their characters dark and gritty because they assume that also makes them interesting. It doesn't. Not everything is Game of Thrones nor should it be.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Fox - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 08:40 PM)UntrueCrystal Wrote: I've seen a few Ala Mhigan refugees being racist towards Au Ra now and each time I roll my eyes so hard they fall out. Not only is there little to no lore supporting anyone being against theyr arrival in Eorzea (barring Ishgard for their obvious Dragon-y traits, but even that is never addressed by the setting itself), but the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife.
While I do agree with points you have made in this thread; I do tend to think that it is acceptable for people to mistake Au ra for dragons or void sent. The MC and the player base as a whole has faced dragons and void sent before. So I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility to mistake the Au ra as dragons/voidsent.
Now if you play the DRK line you see that there is a -lot- of hate toward the Au ra by Ishgardians and that extent of racism -is- addressed to the point of brutality against the Au ra. But to say anything more would be heavy spoiler so I will hold back in that regard.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Caspar - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 08:40 PM)UntrueCrystal Wrote:Well to be fair, this could be on purpose. Take the situation of minorities in some countries in the past, where just as they begin to achieve some degree of economic success after immigration, or being forcibly expelled from their country, another immigrant community shows up on their shores. Suddenly they're in competition with the new bottom rung of the ladder, and want to denigrate their new neighbors as hard as possible, to not lose their tenuous grip on acceptance. This happened a lot in America.(08-02-2015, 07:59 PM)Nero Wrote:(08-02-2015, 07:47 PM)Marisa Wrote: As someone who is, admittedly, a little bit racist in the real world, I can assure you that most prejudices are arbitrary. Example, why do I think more favorably about Chinese immigrants than Japanese immigrants? Because the one Japanese guy I know is a jackass, and the couple Chinese people I know are super nice. I based my entire perception of those races off those few people because that's just how the human mind works. So yeah, if the first Au Ra I ever met rubbed me the wrong way, I'd subconsciously start to dislike all of them until somebody changed my mind otherwise.
(08-02-2015, 07:37 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: That's kind of how racism is though. I don't think most contemporary racists could give you a bullet point list of reasons about why they're racist. Most of them probably don't even think they are.
I think Racism is often at its core nonsensical, and just brought out by latent fears and worries in populations. I'm not always sure it needs strict lore justifications. Obviously it should make a little sense but 'Fear of the Other' is often reason enough.
To further clarify my point, I'm not disputing the irrationality or unaccountable nature of racism and the concept of prejudice as a whole. I think most everyone can agree that such things are inherently a byproduct of the unreasonableness that resides in every human brain. What I am saying is that if you intend to play the "racist" character trait for meaningful drama, having that racism be arbitrary or nonsensical effectively kills that drama and makes it trite and banal.
Graeham's prejudice against Garleans example is a specimen of a character trait being substantial in its makeup that can lend itself to compelling conflict.
Saying your character hates Lalafells because the Lalafells keep screwing them over on shop prices is barely enough to warrant a footnote in a character's trivia section.
Perhaps I'm merely beating the dead horse so vigorously that I'm mistaking its necrotic twitching for signs of life, but my end point remains: it's not unreasonable in the slightest to ask for variety and accurate representation of the setting by playing as a racist or prejudiced character. But if you intend to make that racism or prejudice important in a narrative, then the trait of that racism or prejudice has to be set up in a way that is significant to not only the character, but the audience as well, and Eorzea does not have too many avenues for that besides the aforementioned ethnic conflicts.
An Ala Mhigan being racist to Au Ra? A Limsa Lominsan being racist to a Dunesfolk Lalafell? A Gridanian being racist to a Seeker Miqo'te? An Ul'dahn being racist to a Hellsguard? These are things that have to be well-defined beyond Freudian excuse and lame anecdotal evidence to be taken the slightest bit seriously within the setting or at the least, within a narrative. Otherwise, the prejudice seems forcibly shoehorned and awkward and only serves to make the character as a whole less believable.
I've seen a few Ala Mhigan refugees being racist towards Au Ra now and each time I roll my eyes so hard they fall out. Not only is there little to no lore supporting anyone being against theyr arrival in Eorzea (barring Ishgard for their obvious Dragon-y traits, but even that is never addressed by the setting itself), but the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife.
Like I said, people invent things to make their characters dark and gritty because they assume that also makes them interesting. It doesn't. Not everything is Game of Thrones nor should it be.
But yeah, while I think the setting is dark, there is plenty to support exceptions to the rule, and nobody should feel ashamed of playing them. Being a racist jerk ideally would be supported by the lore, or written in such a way that people accept it as believable.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Cato - 08-02-2015
On a side note, whilst I agree that not everything should be exactly like 'Game of Thrones' I do hope that people will at least acknowledge that some aspects of the setting are quite obviously heavily inspired by it at least in terms of intrigue, terminology and tone...
This is most prominent within Heavensward (though I'll avoid exact examples to avoid spoilers) as well as the scheming that led to the events in the latter portion of the ARR content.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - UntrueCrystal - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 08:54 PM)Graeham Wrote: On a side note, whilst I agree that not everything should be 'Game of Thrones' I do hope that people will at least acknowledge that some aspects of the setting are quite obviously heavily inspired by it at least in terms of intrigue, terminology and tone...
This is most prominent within Heavensward (though I'll avoid exact examples to avoid spoilers) as well as the scheming that led to the events in the latter portion of the ARR content.
The inspiration is taken from Tactics Ogre, as is many of the gearsets, a setting where they actually have heaps of lore and backstory to support why the various factions and nationalities hate each other down to their very blood.
Unlike in FFXIV, where you'll see people want to lynch all Au Ra because.. ???
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Fox - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 08:56 PM)UntrueCrystal Wrote: Unlike in FFXIV, where you'll see people want to lynch all Au Ra because.. ???
I don't know if this is meaning PCs or NPCs.
If it is in the case of NPCs...
As addressed in this thread; http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=12454&highlight=sidurgu
Edit: I'm going to go get a screenshot for the dialogue and I'll post it here when I'm done.
RE: Avoiding contemporary liberalism in RP and embracing traditional conservatism - Enla - 08-02-2015
(08-02-2015, 09:09 PM)Foxberry Wrote:(08-02-2015, 08:56 PM)UntrueCrystal Wrote: Unlike in FFXIV, where you'll see people want to lynch all Au Ra because.. ???
I don't know if this is meaning PCs or NPCs.
If it is in the case of NPCs...
As addressed in this thread; http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=12454&highlight=sidurgu
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