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RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - C'kayah Polaali - 02-13-2015

(02-13-2015, 03:04 AM)Mamushi Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 01:49 AM)Edda Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 01:45 AM)Aya Wrote: Shall we start a barter market for art?  That's not gil!
Holy shit that is an excellent idea.

Headshot: .5 Riviera Canopy Beds
Bust: 1 Riviera Canopy Beds
Full Body: 1.75 Riviera Canopy Beds

Color Options: 10-20 HQ Sachertortes depending on MB fluctuations

etc etc etc

SE will never know!

Art for "Allagan currency" it has a static conversion and counts as an item, not currency.

Not a bad idea. Elite Dangerous doesn't have a way to give money from one player to another, so some people transfer wealth with expensive trade items. This is the same thing, really.

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Melodia - 02-13-2015

Policy makes me really sad because I cannot afford real money. I just can't. Art is a luxury for me and with two mouths to feed beside myself, it's something I can't justify. Gil...that's something I can do.

Thanks SE. *slaps*

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Elaris - 02-13-2015

This is too bad as I did prefer the gil payment over actual money. The money paid with a Canadian pay pal account unfortunately adds up as the Canadian dollar is not so great right now but regardless it will not affect me too much. However the barter system does sound like it could work out quite well, even more so for the crafters out there.

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Berrod Armstrong - 02-13-2015

(02-13-2015, 10:31 AM)Melodia Wrote: Policy makes me really sad because I cannot afford real money. I just can't. Art is a luxury for me and with two mouths to feed beside myself, it's something I can't justify. Gil...that's something I can do.

Thanks SE. *slaps*
But Melodia! If someone wants to give you some free art, and at some point, you wish to give them some free gil -- all very quietly, of course...I don't think you have to spend any real money at all!

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Gegenji - 02-13-2015

(02-13-2015, 10:38 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 10:31 AM)Melodia Wrote: Policy makes me really sad because I cannot afford real money. I just can't. Art is a luxury for me and with two mouths to feed beside myself, it's something I can't justify. Gil...that's something I can do.

Thanks SE. *slaps*
But Melodia! If someone wants to give you some free art, and at some point, you wish to give them some free gil -- all very quietly, of course...I don't think you have to spend any real money at all!

What, you're willing to pay 400k gil for this potion? My oh my, why would I pass up such a wonderful business proposition for myself?

Seriously, RMT still happens and that's far worse than art sales, in my opinion. I'm sure workarounds will be found and just kept on the down-low. It's just a matter of such a public thing as a forums to stick to the rules lest it incur SE's wrath.

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Kage - 02-13-2015

(02-13-2015, 03:15 AM)Kage Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 01:34 AM)Faye Wrote: It's always been against the ToS. I guess they just started taking it more seriously. =/ All the casino stuff in Mor Dhona and in-game raffles are considered "RMT," as well, just as a heads up.

Incorrect about Casinos. They are allowed.

A mod posted about this on the official forums.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/214616-random-and-the-impending-influx-of-player-run-casinos.?p=2713021#post2713021
"As for casinos, they are treated like trade agreements. This means that you should ensure clear rules are agreed upon in the game before engaging in this type of agreement, since the GMs can only enforce the terms of the agreement that was made in the game. So long as the agreement is upheld, the GMs should not need to get involved. If you do not feel that the agreement is upheld, you should report that to a GM for investigation for Fraud."
If you have set rules and you -follow- the rules and don't commit fraud you are ok.
Just because some people didn't see it.

Clearly what I need to do is buy roleplay with gil. And no one will ever see the beautiful fanart that is produced somewhere and shown. The roleplayer just so happens to be the artist. *nod*

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Shizuka - 02-13-2015

(02-13-2015, 10:43 AM)Kage Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 03:15 AM)Kage Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 01:34 AM)Faye Wrote: It's always been against the ToS. I guess they just started taking it more seriously. =/ All the casino stuff in Mor Dhona and in-game raffles are considered "RMT," as well, just as a heads up.

Incorrect about Casinos. They are allowed.

A mod posted about this on the official forums.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/214616-random-and-the-impending-influx-of-player-run-casinos.?p=2713021#post2713021
"As for casinos, they are treated like trade agreements. This means that you should ensure clear rules are agreed upon in the game before engaging in this type of agreement, since the GMs can only enforce the terms of the agreement that was made in the game. So long as the agreement is upheld, the GMs should not need to get involved. If you do not feel that the agreement is upheld, you should report that to a GM for investigation for Fraud."
If you have set rules and you -follow- the rules and don't commit fraud you are ok.
Just because some people didn't see it.

Clearly what I need to do is buy roleplay with gil. And no one will ever see the beautiful fanart that is produced somewhere and shown. The roleplayer just so happens to be the artist. *nod*


I would be surprised if the "casinos" are actually allowed, considering their TOU explicitly states:

 You may not conduct any illegal activities whatsoever in connection with the Game. This includes every illegal activity not specifically highlighted above, including without limitation gambling, defamation, harassment, and fraud. (emphasis mine)

If a GM has stated elsewhere that it's acceptable, then I suspect they haven't fully read their own TOU. That being said, I also doubt it's something they'll actively chase down and ban people over; but if it's reported they might stick those people in the jail for a talking to. It's something I'd be REALLY careful about participating in.

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Inessa Hara - 02-13-2015

It's only illegal if you gamble with real money, real life things in the game I think. If it's just gil, I dont think they will get upset over that.

Considering a GM stated that gambling with gil is okay as long as all party's agree.

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Shizuka - 02-13-2015

The place where it gets tricky is that gambling laws (including those that apply to internet gambling AND fake money) vary so much not only country to country, but state to state. I wouldn't touch it myself, since the TOU doesn't clarify and I know of people getting spoken to by a GM in other games for running the same thing they're doing in Mor Dhona. I'm pretty sure that one is a standard for most (if not all) MMOs.

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Nebbs - 02-13-2015

(02-13-2015, 10:43 AM)Kage Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 03:15 AM)Kage Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 01:34 AM)Faye Wrote: It's always been against the ToS. I guess they just started taking it more seriously. =/ All the casino stuff in Mor Dhona and in-game raffles are considered "RMT," as well, just as a heads up.

Incorrect about Casinos. They are allowed.

A mod posted about this on the official forums.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/214616-random-and-the-impending-influx-of-player-run-casinos.?p=2713021#post2713021
"As for casinos, they are treated like trade agreements. This means that you should ensure clear rules are agreed upon in the game before engaging in this type of agreement, since the GMs can only enforce the terms of the agreement that was made in the game. So long as the agreement is upheld, the GMs should not need to get involved. If you do not feel that the agreement is upheld, you should report that to a GM for investigation for Fraud."
If you have set rules and you -follow- the rules and don't commit fraud you are ok.
Just because some people didn't see it.

Clearly what I need to do is buy roleplay with gil. And no one will ever see the beautiful fanart that is produced somewhere and shown. The roleplayer just so happens to be the artist. *nod*

Buy an IC/in-game thing with IC/in-game gil, and then use the art as the ooc embellishment. So a crafted item like you say above.

Or just create Art RP (ARP)

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Warren Castille - 02-13-2015

I'm partial to the idea of potions and animal hides suddenly becoming worth 500k.

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - K'nahli - 02-13-2015

I don't really understand why they need to make this against the ToS. Unlike botters who use unauthorized programs to repeatedly horde and collect mass amounts of IG items, art trades are paid for by legitimate currency. Unless this falls - vaguely - under some other direction and then can't find a way/don't want to rewrite it to allow art, then it makes zero sense to me as to why they can suddenly tell me how (not) to spend my gil - so long as it does not endorse activities such as those associated with RMTers.

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Kage - 02-13-2015

(02-13-2015, 11:38 AM)Nebbs Wrote: Or just create Art RP (ARP)
"Paint me like one of your Eorzean cat-girls!"
*hands gil*

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - Geisterfuchs - 02-13-2015

(02-13-2015, 11:40 AM)K Wrote: I don't really understand why they need to make this against the ToS. Unlike botters who use unauthorized programs to repeatedly horde and collect mass amounts of IG items, art trades are paid for by legitimate currency. Unless this falls - vaguely - under some other direction and then can't find a way/don't want to rewrite it to allow art, then it makes zero sense to me as to why they can suddenly tell me how (not) to spend my gil - so long as it does not endorse activities such as those associated with RMTers.

To be the advocatus diaboli: RMTers could claim they did not sell those gil for money, they received art for it. Pretty hard to disprove.

RE: Policy change: Sales of art for gil forbidden - K'nahli - 02-13-2015

(02-13-2015, 12:03 PM)Geisterfuchs Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 11:40 AM)K Wrote: I don't really understand why they need to make this against the ToS. Unlike botters who use unauthorized programs to repeatedly horde and collect mass amounts of IG items, art trades are paid for by legitimate currency. Unless this falls - vaguely - under some other direction and then can't find a way/don't want to rewrite it to allow art, then it makes zero sense to me as to why they can suddenly tell me how (not) to spend my gil - so long as it does not endorse activities such as those associated with RMTers.

To be the advocatus diaboli: RMTers could claim they did not sell those gil for money, they received art for it. Pretty hard to disprove.

Ahhh, I see. That was quite simple actually *amused*      Thank you.