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Half Breeds? - Heart Quintessence - 03-05-2015
First off this is not nessacerily Half Hyur -half Miquo'te?
 Though I am curious on what you all feel lore-wise is supported ( can all the races (of similar sizes) interbreed? Do the offspring look like the mother (ala Pokemon genetics), or do they all take after the father?
 But no Here I speak of cross breeding within a species: A Miquo'te who is both a Seeker of Sun & Keeper of the Moon parentage? Which Clan do they belong in, is it purely where they grew up? Or is it in their blood?
With Humans its less clear.
But Elezen are clearly going to have some differences?
 To you all , I ask this: Is clan cultural mostly , in your view of Lore, in your character's lives?
RE: Half Breeds? - Unnamed Mercenary - 03-05-2015
SE Confirmed that mixed races exist.
All of the playable races have a common ancestor. (Stated at the Las Vegas Fanfest)
However, they are exceedingly rare and we do not know what they would look like.
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As far as interbreeding between different clans of a given race, it happens. Chances are, there would be mixed physical traits from each. (Maybe the Keeper fangs and the Seeker eyes?)
As far as cross-clan miqo'te go, the naming conventions actually talk about it directly.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miqo%27te/Naming
RE: Half Breeds? - Xenedra - 03-05-2015
Here's our old buddy the lore forum with our favorite guy, Fernhalwes ♥.
See question number 2:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/32685-Questions-related-to-Lore?p=490835&viewfull=1#post490835
RE: Half Breeds? - Tiergan - 03-05-2015
F'lhaminn is actually a Fernhawles-confirmed half-breed miqo'te. She has a Sun Seeker name and was brought up as a Sun Seeker, but has obvious Moon Keeper traits (most obvious being the rounded pupils).
I'm really, really curious what a Hellsguard/Sea Wolf combo would look like because they're the only race where the skin-tones really don't have any point where they intersect.
RE: Half Breeds? - K'nahli - 03-05-2015
Here are some links to a few past topics that brushed upon this subject in case you are interested ^^
Clan Mixing
Half Elves
Cross-species / Cross clans offspring
RE: Half Breeds? - Mae - 03-05-2015
(03-05-2015, 07:40 PM)Tiergan Wrote: I'm really, really curious what a Hellsguard/Sea Wolf combo would look like because they're the only race where the skin-tones really don't have any point where they intersect.Skin tones would... probably be somewhere in the fourth palette for brown shown on this site. Sea Wolves tend to be more of the second palette, while Hellsguard are more of the sixth.
RE: Half Breeds? - Seriphyn - 03-06-2015
I wonder if halfbreeds are infertile?
RE: Half Breeds? - Unnamed Mercenary - 03-06-2015
(03-06-2015, 01:54 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: I wonder if halfbreeds are infertile?
If you mean some lalqo'te mating with a roelezen, I doubt we'll never get an answer in lore.
But I would imagine there are probably plenty of midlander/Highlander crossed hyur, a fair amount of hellsguard/sea wolf roegadyn and maybe a handful of plainsfolk/dunes folk lalafell.
The lore does suggest the the elezen clans are not really in communication and that mating between miqo'te tribes of the same clan can be weird enough, let alone the issues present with seekee/keeper.
RE: Half Breeds? - Sarangerel Qestir - 03-06-2015
(03-06-2015, 01:54 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: I wonder if halfbreeds are infertile?Depends on how far apart their genetics are, I think. Also not all hybrids are infertile. Males in various species have a higher likelihood of being sterile, apparently. Different types of animals have a higher or lower likelihood of infertility, depending on their crosses and such.
Also crossed of the same species but different clans would undoubtedly be fertile as the species remains the same. See/Kee's, Hells/Sea, High/mid, Dun/Plain, Dusk/Wild would likely all bear fertile offspring.
The largest issues for hybrid children would likely be (but not always) social prejudice. Seems a much higher if not exclusive potential issue for Elezen. I'm not sure the different miqo'te clans hold any real animosity towards each other but variations in appearance and the issue of breeding habits in their cultural construction might isolate the child by way of the mother or father (female Seekers/Male seekers breeding outside their tribal restrictions, female Keepers breeding at all with male seekers, etc.)
RE: Half Breeds? - SessionZero - 03-06-2015
The devs pretty much straight up said the biggest hurdle to overcome when producing hybrids is social prejudice, because Eorzea is hilariously racist. The Elezen and Hyur have a lot of underlying social tensions because of the still relatively recent war between them, and the two Miqo'te clans, while not usually openly hostile to each other, are so dichotomous that they generally want nothing to do with one another.
RE: Half Breeds? - Unnamed Mercenary - 03-06-2015
It should be noted, the different "races" are not different species, as stated by SE. There is a common ancestor (somehow), which is why a mixed-race child could exist.Â
As other have said though, the biggest hurdle would still be on the social end, because there is a lot of racism. Eorzeans recently put those tensions aside because they had bigger problems (the Garleans).Â
Oddly enough, I'd almost expect to see more mixed-race children coming from the Garlean Empie because they don't seem to carry that racial tension. ...only just a strong notion of "join us or die".
RE: Half Breeds? - Sarangerel Qestir - 03-06-2015
(03-06-2015, 10:10 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: It should be noted, the different "races" are not different species, as stated by SE. There is a common ancestor (somehow), which is why a mixed-race child could exist.ÂDonkeys and horses, tigers and lions, bison and cows, and various other interbred hybrids that sometimes have sterility also have common ancestors.
As other have said though, the biggest hurdle would still be on the social end, because there is a lot of racism. Eorzeans recently put those tensions aside because they had bigger problems (the Garleans).Â
Oddly enough, I'd almost expect to see more mixed-race children coming from the Garlean Empie because they don't seem to carry that racial tension. ...only just a strong notion of "join us or die".
*Possibly the oldest known true felid (Proailurus) lived in the late Oligocene and early Miocene epochs. During the Miocene, it gave way to Pseudaelurus. Pseudaelurus is believed to be the latest common ancestor of the two extant subfamilies and the extinct subfamily, Machairodontinae.
*Molecular phylogenies indicate the most recent common ancestor of all modern equids (members of the genus Equus) lived ~5.6 (3.9–7.8) mya. Direct paleogenomic sequencing of a 700,000 year-old middle Pleistocene horse metapodial bone from Canada implies a more recent 4.07 Myr before present date for the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) within the range of 4.0 to 4.5 Myr BP.[24] The oldest divergencies are the Asian hemiones (subgenus E. (Asinus)), including the kulan, onager, and kiang), followed by the African zebras (subgenera E. (Dolichohippus), and E. (Hippotigris)). All other modern forms including the domesticated horse (and many fossil Pliocene and Pleistocene forms) belong to the subgenus E. (Equus) which diverged ~4.8 (3.2–6.5) million years ago.[
*The closest relations to this tribe are the Boselaphini and Tragelaphini tribes. The common ancestor of all the Bovini species appears to have lived about 5–8 million years ago. The first clade to diverge was the buffalo clade (Bubalus and Syncerus species). This was followed by the banteng/gaur/gayal clade and the domestic cattle clade. A fourth clade leading to the bison and yak species may also exist.[1]
Of these three, apparently, bison and cows being interbred for hybrids typically aren't sterile.
There has to be some form of common ancestry in order for interbreeding to happen at all, but that alone obviously doesn't necessarily mean that the genetic variation between the two won't cause issues in the offspring such as sterility
*Interspecific hybrids are bred by mating two species, normally from within the same genus. The offspring display traits and characteristics of both parents. The offspring of an interspecific cross are very often sterile; thus, hybrid sterility prevents the movement of genes from one species to the other, keeping both species distinct.[12] Sterility is often attributed to the different number of chromosomes the two species have, for example donkeys have 62 chromosomes, while horses have 64 chromosomes, and mules and hinnies have 63 chromosomes.
Cross Breeding? - Lierra - 03-07-2015
I don't know if this has ever been asked or addressed. Can the races of Eorzea cross breed?
RE: Half Breeds? - Alothia - 03-07-2015
(03-07-2015, 11:20 PM)Lierra Wrote: I don't know if this has ever been asked or addressed. Can the races of Eorzea cross breed?
Merged your thread with the pre-existing one which was only about 5 posts down. Make sure to search next time, please! Thanks!
RE: Half Breeds? - Lierra - 03-08-2015
Thaanks I think....