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Gun blades - Aaron - 05-10-2015
With Heavensward comes MCH & DRK & AST. But this thread ain't for DRK, no. This thread is to finally see if this is possible.
We know MCH developed guns to help combat Dragons if I remember the little lore blurb right. So here's my question.
If a MCH saw a Garlean gunblade, could they or could they not copy that or even make a better version? Like maybe attaching a sawed off shotgun like weapon (like their relic resembles) to say, a great sword (DRK/MCH too pro.) Or two pistol like guns to the blades of a Rogue etc, is it possible?
Not only would this open up a lot of interesting combat rps (Guns wouldn't be the bane of melee people anymore.) But it'd also allow for some interesting stories and IC research opportunities.
So, what do you all think?
RE: Gun blades - Mercurias - 05-11-2015
I think Gunblades are quite possibly the dumbest thing ever.Â
"In Final Fantasy VIII all forms of gunblade consist of a sword blade with a gun action built into the hilt, the barrel running inside the length of the blade. They are mostly used like normal swords, but triggering a round sends a shock wave through the blade as the weapon passes through an opponent to boost damage." - From this link on the FF Wiki concerning Gunblades.
Theoretically possible IC, but you're basically making an extremely awkward weapon with a limited number of "shock waves" unless you've got the unlimited ammo cheat on.
Admittedly, there are a number of guns with blades on them which would function as ranged weapons, but if you want to primarily fight at ranged, then you could just have a gun with a bayonet on it.
If you really, truly, and absolutely want a gunblade, then it's possible in lore. I just don't know why you'd want to edgelord like that.
RE: Gun blades - Fox - 05-11-2015
Mmm...
Considering we are playing in a High Fantasy setting... I would say that it's best to keep some suspension of disbelief. Otherwise, might as well go play a simulation game.
Within a series of big haired-massive-sword-carrying dudes, cat people, magic and tiny people... I think that we shouldn't always apply demanded real life physics. We grew up pretending we were things that didn't exist.
It's a game in the end of the day. This being said, Aaron, if you'd like to do one, then do so. Enjoy yourself while doing it.
Considering we are acting within the realm of possibility of the game's -realm- it's likely plausible.
RE: Gun blades - allgivenover - 05-11-2015
We can't really apply too critical of an eye to the idea of a gunblade because we've already accepted the setting as it is; a place where pre-gunpowder weapons like swords, spears, and bows are still viable and being used to fight off a technologically advanced nation that has easy access to firearms.
In the real world firearms beats everything, not so here. So it smacks of cherry picking to call out gunblades as dumb.
RE: Gun blades - Chris Ganale - 05-11-2015
The gunblades that the Garleans are shown to wield, at least in various cutscenes including End of An Era and the one at Castrum Centri, are of the "actual gun with long blade bit attached on the bottom" variety instead of the FF8 models.
I mean, the temptation is strong to create a fancy Ironworks-model one to give to Ganale as an ooooooooooooooold throwback, but then I also want to keep him with his mercurial greatsword as an equally-old throwback.
RE: Gun blades - Aaron - 05-11-2015
(05-11-2015, 12:35 AM)Mercurias Wrote: I think Gunblades are quite possibly the dumbest thing ever.ÂI didn't say I wanted one nor do I think it's "edgelord". Sounds like a personal distaste if anything to me. And the link you posted is about Squall's gunblade. Not the ones Garlean use which shoot actual bullets as seen in the OP movie of XIV.
"In Final Fantasy VIII all forms of gunblade consist of a sword blade with a gun action built into the hilt, the barrel running inside the length of the blade. They are mostly used like normal swords, but triggering a round sends a shock wave through the blade as the weapon passes through an opponent to boost damage." - From this link on the FF Wiki concerning Gunblades.
Theoretically possible IC, but you're basically making an extremely awkward weapon with a limited number of "shock waves" unless you've got the unlimited ammo cheat on.
Admittedly, there are a number of guns with blades on them which would function as ranged weapons, but if you want to primarily fight at ranged, then you could just have a gun with a bayonet on it.
If you really, truly, and absolutely want a gunblade, then it's possible in lore. I just don't know why you'd want to edgelord like that.
It was simply a legit question because in the game Garleans seem to use them with deadly proficiency. And since MCH is coming since I know not everyone is gonna want to be a MCH this thread was simply asking if it was possible to have an alternative so you don't get floor wiped with guns. As such a point was brought up before on the forum.
Besides. People already rp using Lightning gunblades as it is. A gunblade. What's so far fetched of me asking if its possible now because we got a actual class with it?
At any rate. Just wanted to clear that up.
RE: Gun blades - Cato - 05-11-2015
My main concern is that Garlean technology is meant to be super advanced and quite rare - yet a very large amount of player characters seem to be well versed in its complex inner workings.
That isn't too difficult to swallow if they're actually Garlean or have/had strong ties to the Garlean Empire for more than a few months but in my eyes it seems common for people to embrace it for the sake of 'rule of cool' rather than actual plausibility.
It's not impossible, of course, but if people do decide to go down that route then hopefully they'll do it tastefully.
RE: Gun blades - Aaron - 05-11-2015
Is it weird I have no idea what the rule of cool is? >_> lol.
Sure not everyone is going to bite the idea of a gunblade. But there was talk some time ago of "How are we going to deal with guns in grindstone? MCH would wipe the floor with us." And it was about to get possibly banned from it. Sure, guns are op, but for those who want to /keep/ their current IC but maybe want a gun could or would possibly rp getting a gun axe/sword/fists etc.
I certainly wouldn't be the only one thinking hey, gunblades exists. I don't /need/ to be a MCH to go around with a gun. I could just say theirs a freaking sawed off attached through the shaft of my greatsword. You see how DRK hold them anyway. Perfectly able to give it a extra kick.
For a different view not from FF. I direct people to the rifle spear from Bloodborne.
If anyone thinks this threads to make me be a edgy cool person IC I just have to say it's not lol if I wanted to do something to be cool id straight out say it.
RE: Gun blades - Chris Ganale - 05-11-2015
Rule of Cool is exactly what it sounds like. Doing something because it sounds awesome and badass rather than because it fits logic or the setting well.
RE: Gun blades - Cato - 05-11-2015
'Rule of cool' is generally just used to describe situations where a character is made to be a particular way not because it necessarily makes sense but because the creator is really enthusiastic about something. Or they just want to make things very flashy.
It's not always a bad thing, either - but it's often a slippery slope.
RE: Gun blades - Aaron - 05-11-2015
Ohhhhh ok. I was looking at that thinking there was a rulebook on being cool lol.
But nah that wasn't the point of me asking. I legit was wondering if it was possible for efficiency.
RE: Gun blades - Chris Ganale - 05-11-2015
Efficient? No. There's a reason why assault rifles have bayonet attachments instead of the other way around.
But this is Final Fantasy. Garlemald's got 'em, so fuck it, they're valid.
RE: Gun blades - Aaron - 05-11-2015
Well they did actually exist and were used to kill things like wounded boar.Â
I honestly think they were abandoned because in the end, why fight with a gunblades when you got a M16? Rather than it being inefficient. In war time today not many people are gonna go swordfight over having a machine gun.
RE: Gun blades - Fox - 05-11-2015
(05-11-2015, 02:48 AM)Aaron Wrote: Sure, guns are op, but for those who want to /keep/ their current IC but maybe want a gun could or would possibly rp getting a gun axe/sword/fists etc.
I think in that case if you (generic you) want to give yourself a limit, perhaps they aren't as accurate at firing. I mean black powder weapons weren't the most accurate at distance and pistols aren't known for sniping afterall.
Edit: same suggestion could be for a gunblade for an adventurer. A Garlean on the other hand could be more proficient.
*sorry if font was huge, I'm on mobile.
RE: Gun blades - Marisa - 05-11-2015
(05-11-2015, 02:59 AM)Aaron Wrote:Actually, hand-to-hand combat happens far more today than it has any other time in the last few centuries. Because today's conflicts are almost entirely urban, soldiers tend to get up close and personal with enemies. However, where the gun-sword was quickly determined to be stupid, the gun-spear is one of the most effective weapons ever created.ÂWell they did actually exist and were used to kill things like wounded boar.Â
I honestly think they were abandoned because in the end, why fight with a gunblades when you got a M16? Rather than it being inefficient. In war time today not many people are gonna go swordfight over having a machine gun.
![[Image: Bayonet-Assault-Course.jpg]](http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Bayonet-Assault-Course.jpg)
Also known as the bayonet, this weapon is so effective that it will probably stick around long enough to be used in wars on other planets.