(06-23-2015, 04:57 PM)Mamushi Wrote: Its been said by the developers multiple times that much of the game's lore and dialogue was first done in English first then localized for JP/FR/DE therefore, the English dialogue is the accurate one.

(06-23-2015, 04:57 PM)Mamushi Wrote: Its been said by the developers multiple times that much of the game's lore and dialogue was first done in English first then localized for JP/FR/DE therefore, the English dialogue is the accurate one.

Quote:The case with player titles is one of many aspects of this game where the localization team is called in to create content, with the Japanese then going off the English. In this case, the dev team has taken it one step further (or maybe it's actually closer?) by not translating the titles into Japanese and using English in the the Japanese version.

Quote:o finally we get to 2.5. In this patch are scenes in which a certain dragon speaks directly with the player. Here, the dragon has chosen to use the tongue of the player rather than his own language. When the EN Localization team received the relatively wordy Japanese lines for this scene, we felt that it would fit the character and his native language better if we localized it in a manner that seemed a natural fit with the dragon language I had created—that being something that was far more compact, but still contained the main core that was in the Japanese. And thus emerged the difference in the length of lines—EN being somewhat shorter than the JP. So fear not, for the content (while slightly jumbled up to accommodate the differences in grammatical flow between Japanese and English) is, for the most part, similar between versions, and Japanese users are not somehow privy to secrets lost to the winds of translation.

(06-23-2015, 05:00 PM)Faye Wrote: Erm... I have no idea what you're getting at, unless you mean you don't like the British slang and ye olde English some of the NPC's use? It's not too difficult to fill in the gaps and rewrite it yourself.

(06-23-2015, 05:35 PM)Lilia Lia Wrote: I just wanted to say I know exactly what you're getting at and I share your frustration.  I have Japanese audio and English subtitles and I can't help feeling like the translation takes a lot of liberties (regardless whether the English or the Japanese was the original).  Every time I hear the character say "Nani?" and the English text is something like "Is aught amiss?" or "What hath transpired heretofore?" it just grates on me and it makes me wonder how much difference there actually is between the Japanese and the English scripts.  Is the Japanese dialogue also overloaded with the equivalent of a corny pseudo-archaic dialect?  I'm not sure but I'd be surprised if it were.

(06-23-2015, 06:03 PM)Nako Vesh Wrote:

(06-23-2015, 05:00 PM)Faye Wrote: Erm... I have no idea what you're getting at, unless you mean you don't like the British slang and ye olde English some of the NPC's use? It's not too difficult to fill in the gaps and rewrite it yourself.

If this is what the OP is talking about, there's no literal way to translate old forms of extremely formal Japanese speech. There's no English equivalent. The only way to come close to that is to use "ye olde" English in its place.

(06-23-2015, 05:35 PM)Lilia Lia Wrote: Square-Enix also did this with the new translation of Final Fantasy Tactics and it's interesting to compare the old and the new translations, because apparently they decided the original Tactics translation was too literal and not "ye olde" enough. 

(06-23-2015, 06:38 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: I'm perhaps a little more confused at the purpose of the poll.

..is this for RP dialogue? Because Square-Enix is most likely not going to modify their script or localization settings.

For what it's worth, English is the only language they chose to localize the way they envisioned people speaking. This was likely due to how flexible the language is. Archaic Japanese wouldn't work in the Japanese dialogue because it'd require an education in arcaic Japanese! English, on the other hand, has a MASSIVE vocabulary, and while yes, it's changed quite considerably since Middle English, Modern English hasn't particularly shifted aside from some vocabulary choices.

In my own writing, I don't really use a lot of the more arcaic words, usually. I might use some for flavor text, like "anyroad" or "smallclothes", but like a lot of the NPCs, I'm not spouting "thou" and "ye" left and right, although some certainly do! (I'm looking at YOU, Urianger)