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Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Edgar - 10-16-2015 So, with the character arc of Edgar being trained in the way of screaming while swinging axes in mind, I'd like to catch up on everything Lohengarde. The culture, the history of the Warrior art, etc. ...Hold on let me get this Sounsy signal up. There we go. RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Aaron - 10-16-2015 This aint Catman. To summon Sounsy you need crystals and prayers. Or lalafell to sacrifice. RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Shoshopu - 10-16-2015 Well, I haven't heard Hellsguard called "Lohengarde" since, like... 1.0 promotional material. I think it was just quietly retconned or forgotten or something. It's a question I've been asking ever since I came back last August- why aren't they called Lohengarde anymore? I thought they were Lohengarde? Does nobody call them that anymore? Did my brain make up this memory? Being the Shoshopu to Arkamas's Fyrilsunn I have a pretty vested interest in warriors, but unfortunately my knowledge is mostly about how the Inner Beast works, and not necessarily the historical lore. Way back in yon newbie days I made a thread asking about the IC viability of legitimate Warrior artifact armor, which Sounsyy graced with her presence not once, but twice! It's mostly in regards to, yes, the armor, but it's something to tide us over until she arrives. (10-31-2014, 06:28 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: So, yes entirely possible to have a set of authentic Warrior Artifact armor. (10-31-2014, 10:22 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: I could see insisting on a replica if the Warrior Artifact Armor was unique... but it isn't. So I don't see what the problem is with Shoshopu's friend RPing as having a real set. RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Fox - 10-16-2015 Here are some sources for various Hellsguard stuff. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/197569-Roegadyn-Hellsgaurd-Lore?p=2502056&highlight=Roegadyn#post2502056 http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Vavaki (1.0 npc) http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Roegadyn http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Hellsguard Though I'm rather certain Sounsyy will bring more forward since she's a lore deity. *nod* (10-16-2015, 12:34 AM)Shoshopu Wrote: Well, I haven't heard Hellsguard called "Lohengarde" since, like... 1.0 promotional material. I think it was just quietly retconned or forgotten or something. It's a question I've been asking ever since I came back last August- why aren't they called Lohengarde anymore? I thought they were Lohengarde? Does nobody call them that anymore? Did my brain make up this memory? As for this; pretty sure it's not really been retconned. From my knowledge; just the old Roegadyn tongue for Hellsguard. RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Lekka Meyren - 10-16-2015 Some of Foxberry's links there were the basis of how I wrote Lekka. I use "Lohengarde" as the way she knows her own kin; though depending on who she talks to she may use hellsguard as well, or simply roegadyn. Adapting to who you're talking to seems pretty common in all cultures; so why not! ((Also it seems fairly common for hellsguard roleplayers to know that lohengarde is a name for them; and adopted by many)) I think during the warrior quest it is mentioned that one set of warrior armour was scattered to four or five? warrior apprentices; And they themselves went on to carry out great deeds with a single warrior artifact. Wearing all five pieces was bound to make the weaker warrior mad with the inner beast; but just the one was manageable and made them powerful enough to make a name for themselves. What I always did find interesting in the little tidbits of Lore we have for Hellsguard is the odd bits and pieces that mention the Hellsguard live in and around volcanic regions and regard them as some form of gate to the underworld that they guard. I guess mostly because this has some clear similarities to Nald'Thal without ever mentioning the god by name. Personally I've spun this as being a sort of local superstition/myth; not for Lekka's clan directly connected to Nald'Thal but perhaps of similar origin. RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Shoshopu - 10-16-2015 (10-16-2015, 03:35 AM)Foxberry Wrote:(10-16-2015, 12:34 AM)Shoshopu Wrote: Well, I haven't heard Hellsguard called "Lohengarde" since, like... 1.0 promotional material. I think it was just quietly retconned or forgotten or something. It's a question I've been asking ever since I came back last August- why aren't they called Lohengarde anymore? I thought they were Lohengarde? Does nobody call them that anymore? Did my brain make up this memory? Well, the thing about that is the Roegadyn word for "Hell" is "Hyll" and "guard" is "waht". "Lohen" and "garde" aren't words in the Roegadyn dictionary that we know of. RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Edgar - 10-16-2015 (10-16-2015, 08:20 PM)Shoshopu Wrote:(10-16-2015, 03:35 AM)Foxberry Wrote:(10-16-2015, 12:34 AM)Shoshopu Wrote: Well, I haven't heard Hellsguard called "Lohengarde" since, like... 1.0 promotional material. I think it was just quietly retconned or forgotten or something. It's a question I've been asking ever since I came back last August- why aren't they called Lohengarde anymore? I thought they were Lohengarde? Does nobody call them that anymore? Did my brain make up this memory? What if they're synonymous? RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Fox - 10-16-2015 (10-16-2015, 08:37 PM)Edgar Wrote:(10-16-2015, 08:20 PM)Shoshopu Wrote:(10-16-2015, 03:35 AM)Foxberry Wrote:(10-16-2015, 12:34 AM)Shoshopu Wrote: Well, I haven't heard Hellsguard called "Lohengarde" since, like... 1.0 promotional material. I think it was just quietly retconned or forgotten or something. It's a question I've been asking ever since I came back last August- why aren't they called Lohengarde anymore? I thought they were Lohengarde? Does nobody call them that anymore? Did my brain make up this memory? It also might not be a literal translation either. And honestly we won't likely know it because I highly doubt the devs will address it. RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Sounsyy - 10-16-2015 (10-16-2015, 12:20 AM)Edgar Wrote: ...Hold on let me get this Sounsy signal up. Hellsguard/Lohengarde Lore For those not in the know - "Lohengarde" is just another name for the Hellsguard Roegadyn. Nothing special. I continue to rep my Race Lore Compilation, which I've been using to gather lore on the races. I'll link what I have on Roegadyn below: (07-02-2015, 04:57 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Roegadyn Naming Conventions Warrior Lore Warriors were commonplace across Eorzea during the time of the Autumn War, but as conflicts across Eorzea ceased and the city-states signed treaties for peace, the Warrior mercenaries fell into disuse and legend. Few are versed in the arts in this day and age. Lodestone 1.0 Wrote:Hidden deep amidst the mountains in the northern reaches of Abalathia’s Spine there once lay a village of stark warriors, among whom lived a line of blacksmiths bound by family and forge. It is said they used molten rock given forth from the bosom of Hydaelyn to heat iron fallen from the heavens, with which they forged axes bearing a tensility and edge unlike any other. This proud line of warrior smiths has long since died out, however, and with them all knowledge of how the great axe Bravura was made. Gerolt Wrote:Fancy yerself a dauntless warrior, like they had in the olden days, eh? So the rumors're true, then─the Company of Heroes did have one in their ranks... Bloody hells. I'll tell you what, though─we weaponsmiths like a good axe, and them warriors' axes were better than good. Ain't no weapon more fearsome to look at, I reckon. An' of all the kinds out there, there's none I'd take over Bravura. Aye, from the intimidatin' form to the destructive power, 'tis everythin' a warrior could ever want. There's jus' one snag: the only blacksmith clan what knew how to forge Bravura died out years ago. The last of 'em didn't quite get 'round to trainin' a successor, see, an' the hapless sod took the techniques to his grave. Might be some warriors out there bear the axe still, but if I was them, I wouldn't willin'ly part with such a prized possession. Nay, not for all the mead in Eorzea...or would I? Anyroad, if yer to have any hope of gettin' a Bravura to call yer own, it'd be through the kobolds. The creatures're renowned for their skill at the forge, an' it jus' so happens they also have a penchant for scourin' ancient ruins an' mines for artifacts, precious ores, an' the like. To find what we need, ye might try venturin' into U'Ghamaro Mines. Mayhap the kobolds have a Bravura stowed away in a repository or summat. Beatin Wrote:Fascinating weapons, halberds. Did you know they were a Hellsguard invention? Their marauders first used them to repel mounted units. A skilled wielder could easily pull a rider from his saddle. Broken Mountain Wrote:I have poured over countless tomes in search of knowledge to tame the beast within, as you did, but my efforts thus far have proven fruitless. All I have found are ridiculous tales of techniques that - if the author could be believed - would make Rhalgr Himself cower in fear. There are descriptions of the techniques used by hero Mythril Heart, but the details are difficult to swallow. No warrior - alive or dead - can rip off a behemoth's arm with his bare hands. The tales are filled with similar outrageous accounts, Brother. It would be a waste of time to investigate their veracity when we know so little of how to tame the inner beast. Besides, you know as well as I that Mythril Heart is naught more than a faerie-tale hero. Duty and the Beast Wrote:Merely recalling your duel with Curious Gorge causes your inner beast to stir─a revelation which leads Broken Mountain to remember a passage he came across in his research: “Only the flames of animosity may temper a warrior's soul.†He interprets this to mean that the inner beast stirs when a warrior faces an opponent who pushes him to surpass his physical and mental limits, and that only in that moment can he attain mastery of new techniques. Believing this to be the means by which the heroes of eld achieved their legendary feats, he implores you to challenge yourself as they did. How to Train Your Warrior Wrote:Broken Mountain's theory is that the inner beast is roused in the heat of battle, and tamed when a warrior resolves to protect the lives of his allies. If he is correct, then his brother will no longer have to fear losing control, so long as he fights to protect those he holds dear. However, if Curious Gorge does lose control again, someone must have the strength to bring him back from the brink of bloodlust. Eynzahr Wrote:Speaking of which, with the Sahagin threat dealt with, the Maelstrom can proceed with its plan to train its troops in the way of the warriors. And who better to train them than the two siblings who brought their teachings to Eorzea in the first place? Hope this helps! ^^ Lemme know if there's more specific things you wanted to know! RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Fox - 10-16-2015 Sorry for the double post; but- I also found this site which was interesting for the 1.0 Roe. http://feature.mmosite.com/ffxiv/race_roegaydn.shtml http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/03/500x_seawolf.jpg Now I don't know how accurate it is, and I'm not sure if it was just the German pronunication of Seawolf as 'Seewolf' or if it was back at 1.0 written that way as well. I played 1.0 for a bit but I really don't remember a lot of it. But if it -is- correct I would have to lean toward Edgar's deduction Lohengarde is likely just a synonym. Sounsyy can probably clear this portion up. Edit: Oops an elusive Sounsyy posted before I did o3o RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Kellach Woods - 10-18-2015 They're big. They're from the Spine. They get mad then break spines. Also, earlier when this discussion popped up we mention the possible lack of need for replicas of the artifact armor, but I can think of one issue where you would need it. You aren't a Roegadyn. When you think about it, putting a Lala in a Roe's armor is kind of a bad idea. RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - TheLastCandle - 10-18-2015 (10-18-2015, 09:34 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: You aren't a Roegadyn. When you think about it, putting a Lala in a Roe's armor is kind of a bad idea. Yes, but five or six Lalafell in a Roes armor would be amazing, coming together like Voltron to form a whole warrior. RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Edgar - 10-18-2015 (10-18-2015, 09:34 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: They're big. My response to that would be, perhaps the art of crafting the armor is not lost. In fact, I think that would benefit the RP a lot more, because along with the added dose of realism, you also create an arc where you must seek out a Hellsguard smith with the knowledge and tools to craft Warrior armor the old fashioned way. There's a lot of potential in that. Cultural understandings and big epic quests. (10-18-2015, 11:47 AM)TheLastCandle Wrote: Yes, but five or six Lalafell in a Roes armor would be amazing, coming together like Voltron to form a whole warrior. "An' I'll form tha head!" "No, I wanna be tha head!" "STAHP SHOVIN'." *Fight ensues* RE: Lohengarde/Warrior Lore - Sounsyy - 10-18-2015 (10-18-2015, 09:34 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: You aren't a Roegadyn. When you think about it, putting a Lala in a Roe's armor is kind of a bad idea. "Pfftt tch! Fits perfect!" /stumbles |