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RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Warren Castille - 11-17-2015
Carry over from the Vana'diel thread. Now with 100% less predetermined opinions posed in the form of asking permission.
Transdimensional RP is, for my money, a strange egg. I understand loving a past character (My XI main is rolled as an alt on Balmung) and wanting to continue, but I never thought that just... up and dropping them into a new world was the right way to carry on a story. First, you won't recapture the magic that made the person memorable in the first place. Second, it feels a lot more self-serving than the usual RP hooks are. I get it, you really love your Skyrim character, or your Super Saiyan OC, or your totally-original dark elf ranger. Those things don't really belong in Eorzea, though: You're playing FFXIV, so why would you want to play something from out of XIV inside of XIV?
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Virella - 11-17-2015
Because some people just roleplay for the hell of it, and not to roleplay with the setting/lore? I do not know. Surely you can recycle your old alts, mains, character, or anything to be a fitting concept in Eorzea. But that is my 2 gil on the matter I suppose.
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Aaron - 11-17-2015
Because fuck you I want to be Squall in XIV and you can't stop me.
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Cailean Lockwood - 11-17-2015
(11-17-2015, 09:28 AM)Aaron Wrote: Because fuck you I want to be Squall in XIV and you can't stop me.
Squall isn't white-haired. :3
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - No Longer Exists - 11-17-2015
*Snooze bubble pops*
I guess it's a matter of inclination really, some people really do just RP because they like to RP and don't care about the lore at all. Some want to twist and push the boundaries just to be edgey. Some are just plain odd (THIS IS A PERSONAL OPINION, SHUSH).
Meeting a magical transformation girl born of the unholy union between a dragon and a housecat can be somewhat daunting, but I enjoy RPing my interactions with that person as if they were the RL homeless man with tinfoil on his head. It doesn't impact my RP at all unless they start swinging PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWAZ and then get upset cause I wonder why they're waving their hands around wildly but to me, nothing's happening. Maybe that's mean, but it's how I avoid lore breaches without destroying the RP.
Incidentally, I often RP character transfers as dimensional shifting. This lead to the dramatic death of a character by suicide after he went insane, trying to build a device to send him back to what he believed was his home dimension and blew himself up when it malfunctioned. That was fun.
Lastly, my brother plays this game on two worlds with me and his character is the twin brother of mine on another world but I don't play that one on Balmung. We discussed that his character is an alternate reality version, where he killed his twin in an epic battle and lost an eye in the process (cheesey, but kinda cool).
So really, it's all in how one fiddles with the paradox of alternate realities and transdimensional, wibbly wobbly, timey wimey......stuff.
*Snoozes*
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - allgivenover - 11-17-2015
(11-17-2015, 09:31 AM)Remiel Arceneaux Wrote:(11-17-2015, 09:28 AM)Aaron Wrote: Because fuck you I want to be Squall in XIV and you can't stop me.
Squall isn't white-haired. :3
Don't stifle his creativity with your lore bible thumping. You've no proof that Squall's hair wouldn't be white after dimension hopping to Eorzea. Stop hating fun and accept it.
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Sana - 11-17-2015
(11-17-2015, 09:22 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Carry over from the Vana'diel thread. Now with 100% less predetermined opinions posed in the form of asking permission.
Transdimensional RP is, for my money, a strange egg. I understand loving a past character (My XI main is rolled as an alt on Balmung) and wanting to continue, but I never thought that just... up and dropping them into a new world was the right way to carry on a story. First, you won't recapture the magic that made the person memorable in the first place. Second, it feels a lot more self-serving than the usual RP hooks are. I get it, you really love your Skyrim character, or your Super Saiyan OC, or your totally-original dark elf ranger. Those things don't really belong in Eorzea, though: You're playing FFXIV, so why would you want to play something from out of XIV inside of XIV?
I don't particularly see a need to bring a character forward from a past time if you wanted to recreate them in the current game. At least then you can still play that character's personality that you enjoyed if that is a preference but at least adjusting them to fit the current setting would be beneficial in the long run.
I like a number of characters I've created and played in many different RP settings. I use them as templates now many times because it's like visiting with old friends again. At the same time, I also try to make them slightly different so as not to totally retract all my old steps.
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Aaron - 11-17-2015
(11-17-2015, 09:42 AM)allgivenover Wrote:Tell him again, tell him!(11-17-2015, 09:31 AM)Remiel Arceneaux Wrote:(11-17-2015, 09:28 AM)Aaron Wrote: Because fuck you I want to be Squall in XIV and you can't stop me.
Squall isn't white-haired. :3
Don't stifle his creativity with your lore bible thumping. You've no proof that Squall's hair wouldn't be white after dimension hopping to Eorzea. Stop hating fun and accept it.
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Cailean Lockwood - 11-17-2015
(11-17-2015, 09:42 AM)allgivenover Wrote:(11-17-2015, 09:31 AM)Remiel Arceneaux Wrote:(11-17-2015, 09:28 AM)Aaron Wrote: Because fuck you I want to be Squall in XIV and you can't stop me.
Squall isn't white-haired. :3
Don't stifle his creativity with your lore bible thumping. You've no proof that Squall's hair wouldn't be white after dimension hopping to Eorzea. Stop hating fun and accept it.
His hair didn't change with all the dimension-hopping in Dissidia. And it hasn't happened to the other characters that dimension-hopped to Eorzea.
But I digress.
People can RP what they want, but like I said in the Vana'diel thread, those who RP something that is rather "far out" of the current setting shouldn't expect everyone else to jump on the wagon.
I personally have some OC character concepts, but instead of having them dimension-jump into the different worlds, I would rather go the route of "How would he be when born and raised in this world". But that's just how I do things. ^^
As long you have people around you to RP with that accepts whatever RP style or character concept you wish to RP as, then go for it. Even if it means you are RP'ing as a character from another world.
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Alexandra Leyland - 11-17-2015
This game has had a heck of a lot of dimension-hopping, between the numerous crossover events and Gilgamesh in the Hildibrand questline. So, with all that precedent, it seems to me like even real sticklers for lore shouldn't reasonably have that much opposition to it as a concept in RP, especially in the case of characters from FFXI coming to Hydaelyn.
Anyway, even if you don't like the idea, you can always just not RP with people who're using it in their RP. You'll both find other people you'll get along with better.
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Kasumi - 11-17-2015
(11-17-2015, 09:31 AM)Remiel Arceneaux Wrote:Maybe he want's to be Squall's and Ultimecia's love baby from a crack-pairing that they've devoted years of sordid fanfictions to.(11-17-2015, 09:28 AM)Aaron Wrote: Because fuck you I want to be Squall in XIV and you can't stop me.
Squall isn't white-haired. :3
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Warren Castille - 11-17-2015
(11-17-2015, 12:21 PM)Amh Amariyo Wrote: This game has had a heck of a lot of dimension-hopping, between the numerous crossover events and Gilgamesh in the Hildibrand questline. So, with all that precedent, it seems to me like even real sticklers for lore shouldn't reasonably have that much opposition to it as a concept in RP, especially in the case of characters from FFXI coming to Hydaelyn.
Anyway, even if you don't like the idea, you can always just not RP with people who're using it in their RP. You'll both find other people you'll get along with better.
Four instances does not make up a "heck of a lot" though. Gilgamesh is a legacy character from another game, and the crossover events are, in order:
1) A godlike figure sending someone to Eorzea for reasons
2) A godlike figure sending herself to Eorzea for reasons
3) The hope of an entire world being sent to Eorzea at the end of the world
Sure, there's precedent for it, but it's precedent featuring extremely powerful or important characters and/or godlike beings willing them to do it in the first place. Could it happen to some random adventurer type? Sure, but we certainly haven't seen any record of Joe Average getting transplanted via deux ex machina effects.
Hell, at the end of the XI crossover with Iroha they even lampshade the fact that the story is completely unbelievable to anyone who wasn't there to witness it.
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Martiallais - 11-17-2015
(11-17-2015, 12:26 PM)Kasumi Wrote:Squall is just a Zack cosplayer.(11-17-2015, 09:31 AM)Remiel Arceneaux Wrote:Maybe he want's to be Squall's and Ultimecia's love baby from a crack-pairing that they've devoted years of sordid fanfictions to.(11-17-2015, 09:28 AM)Aaron Wrote: Because fuck you I want to be Squall in XIV and you can't stop me.
Squall isn't white-haired. :3
Anyway back on topic! Is it potentially strange? Sure. But you know what? To people who don't RP all of us are strange with our weird pretendy funtimes that often at BEST carry a slight connection to the ongoings in the game.
That said, in my opinion it goes back to the ever popular quote: "The devil's in the details." I look at these sorts of things as I debate getting involved with dimension travel or even anything in general that falls on the 'far' end of the 'usual' spectrum.
-Can you sell me on it OOC?
GTFO with your super saiyan character from the Sega dimension who's also the reigning King of the Iron Fist tournament champion.
-Can you show me, someone who is relatively well learned (thanks to the University of Sounsyy & Co.) on lore and generally likes looking at said lore that it's plausible?
I mean hell, let's not forget how many people STILL say there's no Duskwight in Ishgard yet that's my main.
-Can you pitch it to my character?
So many people seem to forget, disbelief is a LEGITIMATE response. That's not offensive, it's not a slight against the writer. Eorzea is a weird and dangerous place, despite the happy sunshine filled pixels that coat the game if you really look into it. Strange shit happens all the time, but that doesn't mean the actual character has to buy it. To me, it's a textbook case of (for all the those tabletop gamers out there) quirks like "weirdness magnet" also known as BEING A PC.Â
See the Classic Marvel Forever system's definition here.
-And lastly, is it just a throwaway gimmick character that's going to be around for a month at best or is it something you plan to stick with?
Well why's that matter? Simple. Just like a character doesn't have to believe it, the more (for me at least) a character interacts with and learns and is just around them, the more they're at least willing to give it a 'well, maybe you're a little less but still kinda craaaaazy'. If it's just a flash in the pan and the character is gone? They'll be chalked up as -actually- crazy and that's that.
If you can pass that checklist? Sure, bring on the RPs. My body is ready.
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Leanne - 11-17-2015
(11-17-2015, 12:54 PM)Martiallais Wrote:(11-17-2015, 12:26 PM)Kasumi Wrote:Squall is just a Zack cosplayer.(11-17-2015, 09:31 AM)Remiel Arceneaux Wrote:Maybe he want's to be Squall's and Ultimecia's love baby from a crack-pairing that they've devoted years of sordid fanfictions to.(11-17-2015, 09:28 AM)Aaron Wrote: Because fuck you I want to be Squall in XIV and you can't stop me.
Squall isn't white-haired. :3
Anyway back on topic! Is it potentially strange? Sure. But you know what? To people who don't RP all of us are strange with our weird pretendy funtimes that often at BEST carry a slight connection to the ongoings in the game.
That said, in my opinion it goes back to the ever popular quote: "The devil's in the details." I look at these sorts of things as I debate getting involved with dimension travel or even anything in general that falls on the 'far' end of the 'usual' spectrum.
-Can you sell me on it OOC?
GTFO with your super saiyan character from the Sega dimension who's also the reigning King of the Iron Fist tournament champion.
-Can you show me, someone who is relatively well learned (thanks to the University of Sounsyy & Co.) on lore and generally likes looking at said lore that it's plausible?
I mean hell, let's not forget how many people STILL say there's no Duskwight in Ishgard yet that's my main.
-Can you pitch it to my character?
So many people seem to forget, disbelief is a LEGITIMATE response. That's not offensive, it's not a slight against the writer. Eorzea is a weird and dangerous place, despite the happy sunshine filled pixels that coat the game if you really look into it. Strange shit happens all the time, but that doesn't mean the actual character has to buy it. To me, it's a textbook case of (for all the those tabletop gamers out there) quirks like "weirdness magnet" also known as BEING A PC.Â
See the Classic Marvel Forever system's definition here.
-And lastly, is it just a throwaway gimmick character that's going to be around for a month at best or is it something you plan to stick with?
Well why's that matter? Simple. Just like a character doesn't have to believe it, the more (for me at least) a character interacts with and learns and is just around them, the more they're at least willing to give it a 'well, maybe you're a little less but still kinda craaaaazy'. If it's just a flash in the pan and the character is gone? They'll be chalked up as -actually- crazy and that's that.
If you can pass that checklist? Sure, bring on the RPs. My body is ready.
That. So that.
Being the awfully liberal little me, this sentence resumes my thought process:
Why not?
I mean, as stated, our characters live in a world where happened a few bits of dimension hopping, where a civilization was advanced enough to enslave pseudo gods (that are created through the sheer power of prayer/desire/need) and create a second moon. A sorcerer managed to sent a group of adventurers 5 years forward into time before turning into a bird to punch the giant pseudo god through the chest.
The later examples are mostly to show other examples of minor absurdity. Anyway, with all that happening, why can't there be a transdimensional traveler? Because it is snowflakey? Because that would mean they'd be more special than other characters? To me, I find that very subjective, depending a lot on how the roleplayer goes about it.
As long as the roleplayer knows that they will be treated by most like a cloud cuckoolander, with perhaps odd mannerisms, know that the character might have a hard time fitting not only because of others, but because of the cultural clash and the hardships of adapting to a world that is not their own, among several other hardships that happen if the dimension hopping is unwilling...
Why not?
Leanne is an adventurer, and in two years she saw so much weird stuff in the road, that in the end of the day, she will say:
"...Wonder if they're saying the truth..."
RE: RP Discussion: Dimensional Hopping and You - Warren Castille - 11-17-2015
Call it a few bad apples spoiling the bunch in my case. I've had people do dimensional RP before, in other games, and they're (in my experience) the sort to always make everything that happens about them, how they're a stranger in a new land, and how they're unsure how to get back home. It's never a backstory for them, it's a frontstory, the thing that consumes them the most and detracts from any actual RP because we need to be constantly reminded that this ain't his homeworld.
All of those examples you name, Leanne, are meant to be colossal revelations by the way. The only people who know what happened with the timeskip are the 1.0 Warriors of Light. The only people who know what happened inside of Coil are the tiny party that traveled with the NPCs inside of it. All of the knowledge collected about Primals is limited to the Scions. In other words, the sort of giant special circumstances that would allow for these sorts of things are fairly considered in the hands of High Powered characters. There's more than a few of them telling stories here, but the sort of world-conception-shattering-plot reveals...
Do you know anything about Eldritch Horror? The Lurking Horror kind of stuff, the madness and insanity that comes from really, truly realizing that we are insignificant in the face of the vast cosmos and that our world is a mote in the black emptiness of space? When adventurers from dozens of other worlds just start falling out of the sky it's going to destroy the concept of the world for most people who buy into it. It presses hard on the suspension of disbelief that comes from playing a character set in a world: You either go "huh, that's weird!" and roll with it, or you do the opposite, wherein you realize your entire world can be taken from you in an instant because you happened to accidentally slip between the cracks of the world.
It isn't something that should be taken lightly. Cross-dimensional stuff gets into heavy territory. Remember, the NPCs during the Shantotto event put her appearance on the level of the Calamity. It's world-changing.