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RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - Dras Black - 04-12-2016

This is a pretty easy question for me to answer, the fact that I have NO idea what is considered "normal" and normal seems to very widely from person to person..

Are PLDs common? or are their only a group of them?
is any "Job" common?
most in this world would probably NOT wana go into, and do the things we (assuming there are high lvls) go and do every day because it might mean certain death.

Even the core "How does Psysick" work gets called into question when you think about it, Can I use Eos? or Selene? It frightens me to do a lot of this stuff, because I'm worried about social phopas and the "You WhAT?!" and getting the jeers of people saying that Drassy is overpowered.

so typically I use Scholar more to its name then its class.. I read a lot.. I'm still studding to become a great knight (that will probably never happen) so.. yeah Its why I tend to not engage unless engaged, don't get me wrong you poke me all bets are off!


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - L'ohba Tia - 04-12-2016

(04-12-2016, 12:51 AM)Dras Black Wrote: This is a pretty easy question for me to answer, the fact that I have NO idea what is considered "normal" and normal seems to very widely from person to person..

Are PLDs common? or are their only a group of them?
is any "Job" common?
most in this world would probably NOT wana go into, and do the things we (assuming there are high lvls) go and do every day because it might mean certain death.

Even the core "How does Psysick" work gets called into question when you think about it, Can I use Eos? or Selene? It frightens me to do a lot of this stuff, because I'm worried about social phopas and the "You WhAT?!" and getting the jeers of people saying that Drassy is overpowered.

so typically I use Scholar more to its name then its class.. I read a lot.. I'm still studding to become a great knight (that will probably never happen) so.. yeah Its why I tend to not engage unless engaged, don't get me wrong you poke me all bets are off!

I can answer most of that. Just remember that just because something is rare doesn't mean it's impossible to make it work.
Paladins are fairly rare. They're the Sultana's royal guard, but their reputation is pretty much trashed thanks to Syndicate plots.
Most jobs are lost arts, so any job will be pretty rare. Some jobs, namely black mage and white mage, are actually considered illegal. So if you want to play one, you shouldn't be open about it.
Physick is just like any other spell, except that it's shaped through magical geometry instead of shaping it through your mind. You don't need a fairy to cast it, and fairies would actually be rare because the method of creating them was lost with the Nymians. Though you could, in-character, justify your fairy as just being a very uniquely designed carbuncle since they're just constructs also made with geometry.


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - Warren Castille - 04-12-2016

There used to be a fairly healthy sect of paladin roleplayers that hung out in Ul'dah, but time and roleplay have lead most of them away to other places by now.

The job itself isn't off-limits, but there's some qualifying first: Sultansworn are the official guardians of the Sultanate (despite never appearing in basically any cutscenes). Some quests also reveal them to be sort of city-state specific investigators; When things happen involving the crown, or some valuable artifacts, it's the Sultansworn who pursue the criminals involved and set about bringing justice.

Free Paladins aren't bound to the city-state like Sultansworn appear to be: They're simply knights who are taught the methods of combat that the Sultansworn utilize and told to go do good in the world. The fighting style was a strictly-kept secret until recent years, and while we don't know the actual number of Free Paladins out there in the world, talking to Jenlyns after completing the lv50 quest (but before starting the HW quests) will have him say something to the affect of "our numbers are on the rise!"

Whether this means other Free Paladins being taught or more 'Sworn being recruited isn't clear, so that's more room to wiggle into.


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - Askier - 04-12-2016

(04-12-2016, 08:24 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: There used to be a fairly healthy sect of paladin roleplayers that hung out in Ul'dah, but time and roleplay have lead most of them away to other places by now.
I miss those days when they were around.


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - Kibu - 04-25-2016

I'm a painfully shy person IRL, and I've been out of the RP scene for years except with a couple of friends through forums or IMs that turn into something more like collaborative writing. I worry that I'm so new to this game and so rusty with RP that anything I do is going to sound totally noobish, contrived, and un-engaging.

I got to do a little RP with some amazing players the other night who were absolutely fantastic. But going into it I almost had a panic attack, even though we'd talked a bit before and I'd been invited into it. I still spent a good 5-10 minutes shaking like a chihuahua in front of my computer and almost broke and ran. I feel like I'm a burden and doing anything with me is a waste of time, partly because I take too long to ponder my response and so it feels like I'm replying excessively slow and partly because I really just don't know things.

I guess overall I'm just exceptionally insecure all around.


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - RiniKett - 04-25-2016

(04-25-2016, 11:34 AM)Kibu Wrote: I'm a painfully shy person IRL, and I've been out of the RP scene for years except with a couple of friends through forums or IMs that turn into something more like collaborative writing. I worry that I'm so new to this game and so rusty with RP that anything I do is going to sound totally noobish, contrived, and un-engaging.

I got to do a little RP with some amazing players the other night who were absolutely fantastic. But going into it I almost had a panic attack, even though we'd talked a bit before and I'd been invited into it. I still spent a good 5-10 minutes shaking like a chihuahua in front of my computer and almost broke and ran. I feel like I'm a burden and doing anything with me is a waste of time, partly because I take too long to ponder my response and so it feels like I'm replying excessively slow and partly because I really just don't know things.

I guess overall I'm just exceptionally insecure all around.

*hugs*

I would like to tell you that you're never going to mess up, but to mess up is to be human. Instead...Just don't be afraid to fail. It might happen, but you will never know if you don't try. Like you said, there are some amazing players out there and this server is full of understanding people. Really? 9/10 times people would much prefer someone who isn't sure of themselves make a mistake than to deal with people who are arrogant and won't listen to advice. You obviously don't want to be a bother, which shows you care about how others experience your RP than just what you get out of it. That's caring. That's becoming rarer and rarer so don't think that is a flaw. You'll get in the swing of things. Just give it time. I'd be happy to RP with you anytime. : )

"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep."


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - Shofie - 04-26-2016

I'm actually just....really, really gunshy. I had a pretty bad RP experience that has left me reluctant to engage with the community and makes me especially wary of people who approach me.

My character is fun and I honestly enjoy her, but I strictly limit my RP to a handful of people, and anyone who happens to show up at my tavern nights at my FC house. I don't mind casually engaging, but plotting and stuff leaves me cautious.


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - Kellach Woods - 04-26-2016

wow i can't even go 15 posts without sounding hypocritical i must be a fucking asshole.

* * *

anyway, outside of a very very small group of people I'm essentially 99% certain that the entire server hates my character and me, so I don't approach people because why in the shit would you approach people who hate you? Bee-tee-dubs that's OOC not IC.

and in-between that and a bunch of peeps outright saying they wouldn't RP with me for OOC reasons I'm kind of thinking why do I bother?


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - Juromaro - 04-26-2016

(04-25-2016, 11:34 AM)Kibu Wrote: I'm a painfully shy person IRL, and I've been out of the RP scene for years except with a couple of friends through forums or IMs that turn into something more like collaborative writing. I worry that I'm so new to this game and so rusty with RP that anything I do is going to sound totally noobish, contrived, and un-engaging.

I got to do a little RP with some amazing players the other night who were absolutely fantastic. But going into it I almost had a panic attack, even though we'd talked a bit before and I'd been invited into it. I still spent a good 5-10 minutes shaking like a chihuahua in front of my computer and almost broke and ran. I feel like I'm a burden and doing anything with me is a waste of time, partly because I take too long to ponder my response and so it feels like I'm replying excessively slow and partly because I really just don't know things.

I guess overall I'm just exceptionally insecure all around.


I feel you there, cept I'm not shy IRL, my wife has social anxiety disorder so I understand what it's like to be shy in person. However in game I'm extremely shy. I started my MMO career with PvE, then moved to PvP, and when Rift came out I decided I didn't like the communities of PvE/PvP servers anymore to many "Brah L2P nub" and other various forms of childish behavior.

I've been playing on RP servers for awhile now, but I've never roleplayed. I want to so bad but I can't. I sit there every night trying to create a storyline for my character Castian Kensaki, but when I get something nailed down I start to second guess it. Like at first I wanted Castian to be a shinobi/bodyguard so I leveled a NIN to get access to the class gear, but that changed when I saw alot of people and got alot of whispers about how they too were shinobi or bodyguards and wanted me to join their free company, but when I'd observe them or talk with them they'd be way to imposing for me to jump in. Then a friend I made(who no longer plays it seems) told me her character was a bodyguard type so I changed my RP story cause I really wanted to RP with her(doesn't seem right to have a bodyguard guard another).

Well I changed my story to being a Wander/Ronin since I'm almost positive they'll release Samurai at some point(I hope). And have joined an FC and farming Aery/Vault for my RP set so I could finally roleplay, but I can't. I sit there all night thinking about how all these experienced roleplayers would look at me and think I'm stupid or ignore me completely because my backstory is too generic. Or I sit there and think of how people won't want to RP with me because I play on ps4 and my chat response is delayed because I have to put down my controller to type on my keyboard, and I have to extend my chatlog to full screen cause I can't adjust it and sometimes jump by accident. So I end up staying in the duty finder all day doing what I do best while I get bored and burned out on the game because my desire seems to be so far out of reach that I just run the same content over and over.

Then there is what I want from an RP story. I'm a romantic, I want my character to fall in love, I want to explore a storyline where he and a girl travel the world together doing all sorts of things while their bond strengthens to the point of an RP wedding and beyond. But I can't go out there and meet characters and work for that kind of story because I have what I guess could be best explained as stage fright. Or there is the fear that I'll get attached to a character and the person behind that character will stop playing the game all together effectively ending whatever story we had or could have had.

Right now the best RP story I can think of is "Oh I'm a merc, I go out drink in the tavern telling war stories, then go kill more stuff." because that is all that seems like is open to me character wise. Add that to the fear of trying to join RP with already established characters makes roleplay a very daunting and trying experience.


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - Virella - 04-27-2016

(04-26-2016, 10:53 PM)Juromaro Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 11:34 AM)Kibu Wrote: I'm a painfully shy person IRL, and I've been out of the RP scene for years except with a couple of friends through forums or IMs that turn into something more like collaborative writing. I worry that I'm so new to this game and so rusty with RP that anything I do is going to sound totally noobish, contrived, and un-engaging.

I got to do a little RP with some amazing players the other night who were absolutely fantastic. But going into it I almost had a panic attack, even though we'd talked a bit before and I'd been invited into it. I still spent a good 5-10 minutes shaking like a chihuahua in front of my computer and almost broke and ran. I feel like I'm a burden and doing anything with me is a waste of time, partly because I take too long to ponder my response and so it feels like I'm replying excessively slow and partly because I really just don't know things.

I guess overall I'm just exceptionally insecure all around.


I feel you there, cept I'm not shy IRL, my wife has social anxiety disorder so I understand what it's like to be shy in person. However in game I'm extremely shy. I started my MMO career with PvE, then moved to PvP, and when Rift came out I decided I didn't like the communities of PvE/PvP servers anymore to many "Brah L2P nub" and other various forms of childish behavior.

I've been playing on RP servers for awhile now, but I've never roleplayed. I want to so bad but I can't. I sit there every night trying to create a storyline for my character Castian Kensaki, but when I get something nailed down I start to second guess it. Like at first I wanted Castian to be a shinobi/bodyguard so I leveled a NIN to get access to the class gear, but that changed when I saw alot of people and got alot of whispers about how they too were shinobi or bodyguards and wanted me to join their free company, but when I'd observe them or talk with them they'd be way to imposing for me to jump in. Then a friend I made(who no longer plays it seems) told me her character was a bodyguard type so I changed my RP story cause I really wanted to RP with her(doesn't seem right to have a bodyguard guard another).

Well I changed my story to being a Wander/Ronin since I'm almost positive they'll release Samurai at some point(I hope). And have joined an FC and farming Aery/Vault for my RP set so I could finally roleplay, but I can't. I sit there all night thinking about how all these experienced roleplayers would look at me and think I'm stupid or ignore me completely because my backstory is too generic. Or I sit there and think of how people won't want to RP with me because I play on ps4 and my chat response is delayed because I have to put down my controller to type on my keyboard, and I have to extend my chatlog to full screen cause I can't adjust it and sometimes jump by accident. So I end up staying in the duty finder all day doing what I do best while I get bored and burned out on the game because my desire seems to be so far out of reach that I just run the same content over and over.

Then there is what I want from an RP story. I'm a romantic, I want my character to fall in love, I want to explore a storyline where he and a girl travel the world together doing all sorts of things while their bond strengthens to the point of an RP wedding and beyond. But I can't go out there and meet characters and work for that kind of story because I have what I guess could be best explained as stage fright. Or there is the fear that I'll get attached to a character and the person behind that character will stop playing the game all together effectively ending whatever story we had or could have had.

Right now the best RP story I can think of is "Oh I'm a merc, I go out drink in the tavern telling war stories, then go kill more stuff." because that is all that seems like is open to me character wise. Add that to the fear of trying to join RP with already established characters makes roleplay a very daunting and trying experience.
*slams fist down*

Generic backstories are good backstories! And dude, really, get out there and find people to roleplay with. Balmung can use more roleplayers, and really people feel like you all the time. Even I do at times. It isn't strange or odd! Poke me ingame for some RP someday, but really, just make a LF contacts thread or something, stick your head in events and in no time you will have tons of folk to RP with Smile


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - RiniKett - 04-29-2016

(04-26-2016, 10:53 PM)Juromaro Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 11:34 AM)Kibu Wrote: I'm a painfully shy person IRL, and I've been out of the RP scene for years except with a couple of friends through forums or IMs that turn into something more like collaborative writing. I worry that I'm so new to this game and so rusty with RP that anything I do is going to sound totally noobish, contrived, and un-engaging.

I got to do a little RP with some amazing players the other night who were absolutely fantastic. But going into it I almost had a panic attack, even though we'd talked a bit before and I'd been invited into it. I still spent a good 5-10 minutes shaking like a chihuahua in front of my computer and almost broke and ran. I feel like I'm a burden and doing anything with me is a waste of time, partly because I take too long to ponder my response and so it feels like I'm replying excessively slow and partly because I really just don't know things.

I guess overall I'm just exceptionally insecure all around.


I feel you there, cept I'm not shy IRL, my wife has social anxiety disorder so I understand what it's like to be shy in person. However in game I'm extremely shy. I started my MMO career with PvE, then moved to PvP, and when Rift came out I decided I didn't like the communities of PvE/PvP servers anymore to many "Brah L2P nub" and other various forms of childish behavior.

I've been playing on RP servers for awhile now, but I've never roleplayed. I want to so bad but I can't. I sit there every night trying to create a storyline for my character Castian Kensaki, but when I get something nailed down I start to second guess it. Like at first I wanted Castian to be a shinobi/bodyguard so I leveled a NIN to get access to the class gear, but that changed when I saw alot of people and got alot of whispers about how they too were shinobi or bodyguards and wanted me to join their free company, but when I'd observe them or talk with them they'd be way to imposing for me to jump in. Then a friend I made(who no longer plays it seems) told me her character was a bodyguard type so I changed my RP story cause I really wanted to RP with her(doesn't seem right to have a bodyguard guard another).

Well I changed my story to being a Wander/Ronin since I'm almost positive they'll release Samurai at some point(I hope). And have joined an FC and farming Aery/Vault for my RP set so I could finally roleplay, but I can't. I sit there all night thinking about how all these experienced roleplayers would look at me and think I'm stupid or ignore me completely because my backstory is too generic. Or I sit there and think of how people won't want to RP with me because I play on ps4 and my chat response is delayed because I have to put down my controller to type on my keyboard, and I have to extend my chatlog to full screen cause I can't adjust it and sometimes jump by accident. So I end up staying in the duty finder all day doing what I do best while I get bored and burned out on the game because my desire seems to be so far out of reach that I just run the same content over and over.

Then there is what I want from an RP story. I'm a romantic, I want my character to fall in love, I want to explore a storyline where he and a girl travel the world together doing all sorts of things while their bond strengthens to the point of an RP wedding and beyond. But I can't go out there and meet characters and work for that kind of story because I have what I guess could be best explained as stage fright. Or there is the fear that I'll get attached to a character and the person behind that character will stop playing the game all together effectively ending whatever story we had or could have had.

Right now the best RP story I can think of is "Oh I'm a merc, I go out drink in the tavern telling war stories, then go kill more stuff." because that is all that seems like is open to me character wise. Add that to the fear of trying to join RP with already established characters makes roleplay a very daunting and trying experience.

I've been Roleplaying for a long time, maybe not as long as others, but I have 6+ years of Roleplaying on MMOs and the trouble you have with making a 'good' backstory is common among those who want to start. TBH, my first character was completely awful and took elements from other influences that were not only absent from the game, but a completely different genre; bloodelf rogue trying to be Assassin's Creed. But, even though it was really bad looking back to it's also one of my fondest memories. Nothing really mattered back then and I was oblivious to rules so there was no elitism or downplaying and I was playing with some people who had been doing it way longer than I have and did it way better. My RP partner back then was just the same. She told me her first time Roleplaying was when she ran into a group of RPers and asked "Hey, can I roleplay?" completely in IC chat.

The point is, you are going to make mistakes, every one does and they will always continue to do so, but, just like writing a book, if you never start then the pages will never be filled. Will you be awkward? Maybe. Will your backstory be cliche? Possibly. But as I've mentioned to Kibu, this server is full of people willing to help. In fact, if you ever want to RP I'm always open to playing with new players and giving them an outlet, response, and connections. The only skill that you need, and I emphasize this, is be open. Listen to advice. You don't have to use it, but always take it.

And on that note, I'm going to do something I rarely ever do and...Well..Actually give you something to bite into advice wise. (I know that might not make sense, but usually I encourage people rather than actually setting them on a path.) Look at your backstory...Look at the kind of character you want...Warrior...Swordsman...Healer..Caster...Etc...Now that the class, your race, think of how their personality will be, goals in life, etc....And make a very simple backstory with bunches of holes...And then throw the rest into a bucket to use for parts for later.

Confusing? Sorry, bad habit. Something I personally have always enjoyed, you might not, is leaving a backstory with holes, or rather with a completely open/clean slate. In a way, this is a wing it method, but not exactly. Most IC interaction with a new character is getting the feel of the character, even experienced Roleplayers start with an idea but have to flush it out, and when you make your full backstory/personality first it can actually strangle your creativity when you RP. Say you make a serious loner character with moral issues who is trying to avenge his dead wife; meeting a happy character like Rini might put him off, and if you had something witty to say but your character is built to limit his social ability you wouldn't be able to use it without coming off off as doing something out of his normal character...But I'm rambling. Basically, I like to let characters make themselves. Meet people, have fun with it, find that 'hook' that makes people want to come back and RP. I honestly can't define what makes a hook good so that is something you will have to learn for yourself, but being polite, open minded, and friendly are a good start.

One thing to note on 'evolving' a character through time; don't let current situations always define what you add or evolve or it could easily be considered Meta gaming. For example, someone is sick and you state that you have medical experience even though you have never alluded to having such, but you refer to it as something in his past that you basically just made up. Just avoid this and you should be fine. The open part just gives you time to think of what you want to put in and learn without having a full character done...

I hope this helped, I have issues with jumping around too much or not explaining myself clearly sometimes. Let me know if you ever want to RP, I have a few newer players I am going to be RPing with soon and another wouldn't hurt.Big Grin

Take care!


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - ArmachiA - 04-29-2016

^ Above is really good advice. The only thing I can add is it really doesn't matter if your backstory is generic or "boring" - for instance my character was a priestess who left the priesthood right when FFXIV started and wasn't very exciting at all - even her parents are still alive! It's all been done before, pretty much all of it. It's all in how you play it, how real your character feels when you're acting it out. That's really it, no one will care if your backstory is simple if your character is interesting. People get way too into thinking the backstory is the character and therefore have these really overly complicated backstories, but really all you need is an interesting personality.


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - RiniKett - 04-29-2016

(04-29-2016, 03:50 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: ^ Above is really good advice. The only thing I can add is it really doesn't matter if your backstory is generic or "boring" - for instance my character was a priestess who left the priesthood right when FFXIV started and wasn't very exciting at all - even her parents are still alive! It's all been done before, pretty much all of it. It's all in how you play it, how real your character feels when you're acting it out. That's really it, no one will care if your backstory is simple if your character is interesting. People get way too into thinking the backstory is the character and therefore have these really overly complicated backstories, but really all you need is an interesting personality.

Yus! It's hard to fit everything into one post but this is also something to keep in mind. Most of the time people want to feel special or at least get out of the norm. This typically means adventurers, mercs, assassins, and rogue types. While there is nothing wrong with that, nothing at all don't get me wrong, it does take away from being special if everyone is special. They kinda cancel one another out... I think syndrome can help shed some light on this.

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So while my character is a conjurer she is also a goldsmith and a weaver who practices her craft on a daily basis. Additionally, she loves working as a waitress and ran a tavern for awhile. A friend of mine summed it up best when he said that people use video games in general as an escape. You take a break from your normal, everyday life and become a hero, a sports star, a MMA Figther, etc etc. So normally those who deal with customers all day don't really want to come home just to...Deal with more customers. Because of that, our definition of a normal, boring character are the ones that stick out the most in a crowd. I use Aya as an example a lot in this just based on the popularity she has gained from serving at public RP taverns.

Again, there is nothing wrong with being a powerful, warrior mercenary who continuously strives to be stronger, but he could also serve soup at a soup kitchen on the weekends for a softer side that shows he cares for people. Heck, I still love the sneaky wealthy types that remind me of Scar from the Lion King. That might sound like an odd relation, but having people play villains that aren't evil just to be evil and aren't obviously evil is really interesting and fun to watch. It makes you question what is good and what is bad, but I'm getting off track. Be creative and most of all, do what you want to do and don't worry what others will think of you. Smile In the end, you have to enjoy the RP you doing or it becomes a chore.


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - Lutra - 04-29-2016

I guess I will put myself out here a little bit. Who knows, maybe it'll help? :3

In terms of roleplay, I fear the spotlight. It's silly, really, just how paranoid and overthink-y I get when it comes to my characters doing something that some might see as showing off or being an attention hog. It has actually gotten so bad that I have almost lost my interest in roleplay altogether the past year or so. I have been fighting desperately to set up other things for my FC to do, along with attempting to participate in others' plots, only to find myself often giving up for lack of motivation. 

It's essentially like I've phased myself out due to my own fear. I've done what I've told countless of my members NOT to do--and that is get too invested in what others may or may not think of my characters or roleplay. I'm not involved in anyone's side stories, in my FC or elsewhere, and it is not due to other people's fault--in this regard it's purely in my head.

Sure, I've had bad RP experiences, just like probably everyone else here. Plots going awry, OOC feelings getting hurt for IC reasons--it happens and I move through it. I'm not particularly burned in one way or another. It's just this constant, creeping feeling that what I am doing/writing is pissing someone off IRL in some way.

As such, I am trying to get back out there, both with Rhesh'ir and my alt, The Wasp. It's difficult to overcome, even though I have sort of isolated the problem.


RE: Roleplayer Uncertainty/Insecurity Theater - K'nahli - 04-29-2016

That my character is too boring for anyone to ICly or OOCly find any interest in speaking to her for any extended period of time.