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An Au Ra Summoner and Bahamut - Killerwing - 01-02-2016

Hello, I have been wondering something about my character. Said character is an Au Ra that arrived to Eorzea after the first wave of Domans, led by Lady Yugiri, arrived to Eorzea.

Obviously time has passed since my character arrived, and she managed to become a Summoner, along with attuning itself to several of Eorzea's primals so that my character could wield their powers.

However I was wondering if it was possible for An Au Ra, that clearly wasn't present in Eorzea during the Calamity, to somehow manage to attune itself to Bahamut.

I know that when you do the Summoner quest line, there are basically 2 options that would be used to allow the player character to already be washed in Bahamut's essence. Either that the player character was at the Battle of Cartenau(meaning he's a Legacy Player), or that he simply was in Eorzea somewhere when the Calamity struck, and thus he or she, like everyone else got 'washed' by Bahamut's aether. That is the explanation that allows the player character to go on the process of learning the Dreadwyrm Trance.

My concern however is, what about a character that wasn't in Eorzea when the Calamity happened? Would this means that the only way for them to attune to Bahamut's aether(or be washed in it, sorta) would be to seek out a place where Bahamut's essence might reside, like the Cartenau Flats, or even the Binding Coils themselves?

Players that have done the entire Coil storyline(as I have) will know that the 2nd option doesn't quite seem possible now.

Still...I would be curious about possible options. Anyone have thoughts on this?


RE: An Au Ra Summoner and Bahamut - Desu Nee - 01-03-2016

(01-02-2016, 10:56 PM)Killerwing Wrote: Hello, I have been wondering something about my character. Said character is an Au Ra that arrived to Eorzea after the first wave of Domans, led by Lady Yugiri, arrived to Eorzea.

Obviously time has passed since my character arrived, and she managed to become a Summoner, along with attuning itself to several of Eorzea's primals so that my character could wield their powers.

However I was wondering if it was possible for An Au Ra, that clearly wasn't present in Eorzea during the Calamity, to somehow manage to attune itself to Bahamut.

I know that when you do the Summoner quest line, there are basically 2 options that would be used to allow the player character to already be washed in Bahamut's essence. Either that the player character was at the Battle of Cartenau(meaning he's a Legacy Player), or that he simply was in Eorzea somewhere when the Calamity struck, and thus he or she, like everyone else got 'washed' by Bahamut's aether. That is the explanation that allows the player character to go on the process of learning the Dreadwyrm Trance.

My concern however is, what about a character that wasn't in Eorzea when the Calamity happened? Would this means that the only way for them to attune to Bahamut's aether(or be washed in it, sorta) would be to seek out a place where Bahamut's essence might reside, like the Cartenau Flats, or even the Binding Coils themselves?

Players that have done the entire Coil storyline(as I have) will know that the 2nd option doesn't quite seem possible now.

Still...I would be curious about possible options. Anyone have thoughts on this?
I'm no Sounsyy at lore, so don't take my words as a definitive answer, neither have I done Summoner, I am forever faithful to BLM SUCK IT SUMFAGS. But anyway.


The answer is sadly no. From what little I know, a Summoner can only use Egis or summon or whatever from primals they had experience with, and in the case of the Dreadwyrm and the Calamity, the amount of aether Bahamut released in the continent is far, far too greater than just a place with lingering aether. That's like comparing the radiation of an area MINUTES after the nuke with it being roughly a 50-60.

But again, I'm no Lorehead, so until Sounsyy slams her hammer and tell the truths, I'm just here giving my two cents.


RE: An Au Ra Summoner and Bahamut - Killerwing - 01-03-2016

(01-03-2016, 12:18 AM)Desu Nee Wrote: I'm no Sounsyy at lore, so don't take my words as a definitive answer, neither have I done Summoner, I am forever faithful to BLM SUCK IT SUMFAGS. But anyway.


The answer is sadly no. From what little I know, a Summoner can only use Egis or summon or whatever from primals they had experience with, and in the case of the Dreadwyrm and the Calamity, the amount of aether Bahamut released in the continent is far, far too greater than just a place with lingering aether. That's like comparing the radiation of an area MINUTES after the nuke with it being roughly a 50-60.

But again, I'm no Lorehead, so until Sounsyy slams her hammer and tell the truths, I'm just here giving my two cents.

That answer is a bit...confusing... o_O

You seem to say that that basically, all of Eorzea has essentially been 'irradiated' by Bahamut's aether during the Calamity that 5 years after the event, people that would enter the land would also be 'contaminated' by this 'radiation'?

Bit of a weird answer. Although at the same time, it is clear that Bahamut's actions caused irreversible changes upon the land, and the aether(especially with all those corrupted crystals littering the landscape).

Still, that would basically mean that my character wouldn't even need to go to Cartenau Flats or try to get close to the Coils to attune to Bahamut. Is that what you mean?


RE: An Au Ra Summoner and Bahamut - Akiko - 01-03-2016

The only way to be able to 'attune' to Bahamut would be to be where it fell. In battle. Shortly after it fell. Unfortunately, lore wise, only the Warrior of Light managed that bit. Bahamut has not been summoned otherwise.

That being said, the Dreadwyrm Stance does make use of the tainted aether within Eorzea, so that at least works.


RE: An Au Ra Summoner and Bahamut - Sounsyy - 01-03-2016

Hrrmmm that's a difficult one. I guess let's start off with what we know about Summoning and see what we can swing out of it:

1) You need to have seen the primal, or have a memory of it. (Your soulstone idea can take care of this.)
Fernehalwes Wrote:As for how to create an egi, as you said before, you get that mist – that taint – by defeating it; it goes into you. You are creating an image of what that primal was, so without ever having seen it, you cannot create it. By attuning with their aetherial remnant, you know that primal and can attune an egi in that image.

2) You must have defeated the primal or been present at its defeat.
Y'mhitra Wrote:A summoner is a unique type of mage who harnesses the energy of the primals and reshapes it into a biddable avatar. In the ancient Allagan tongue, these avatars are known as "egi." Only those who are present at the defeat of a primal and have captured its savage essence are able to manifest such aetheric entities.

3) You must perform the Austerity or Rite to tame the egi.
Y'mhitra Wrote:According to the records we recovered, the summoners of old would perform these rites in a land in which the naturally dominant element matched the aspect of the avatar they wished to call forth. Only in such a place might one sufficiently shift one's aetheric balance in the desired direction.

Now you must focus. Visualize the aether flowing through you, a vibrant current of energy transforming into living fire. Hold this image in your mind, and the raging heat of your life force shall spawn an egi wreathed in flames! Be aware, however, that this nascent entity will appear before you unbound and hostile. It is your charge to overpower the avatar, and establish yourself as its master.

4) You cannot summon an egi of a powerful primal that requires more aether than you possess.
Y'mhitra Wrote:And as I struggled to unravel the ancient knowledge of the tomestones, I unlocked a good many mysteries...including the reason why you were unable to call forth Ramuh-Egi. When you summon an avatar, you draw upon your body's reservoir of aether to grant life and form to what is known as an arcane entity─that much we already knew. I had, however, overlooked the simple fact that our aetheric reserves are finite─thus the magnitude of egi that you are able to summon is limited by the extent of your own life force. Simply put, if the egi is too powerful, then the summoning fails... But do not despair! The summoners of Allag devised a method by which one might circumvent this intrinsic limitation. Rather than attempt to summon a separate, physical manifestation of certain egi, the most accomplished mages discovered that far less aether was required to infuse themselves with the essence of a primal's power. The technique by which a summoner would achieve this heightened state was known as a “trance.”


The soulstone avenue is a good idea to take care of the first hurtle, actually witnessing a primal. With an old enough soulstone, it's likely that it contains some memory of the elder primal. That said, soulstones don't always give up their memories freely. Perhaps visiting an area swamped with Bahamut's aether may awaken the memory within the soulstone.

Which leads to where do you find a large concentration of Bahamut's aether that you might be able to steal his essence... I can think of two places that may be a stretch but should work for your purposes:

1- The Burning Wall, site of the final coil.
2- Carteneau Flats, site of the Battle of Carteneau.

Both of these locations have witnessed the death of Bahamut. Now, according to the lore provided, this wash of essence occurs immediately following the primal's death as their aether is sundered from their body and soaks the area around them. But here is where we can pull Monk lore into the mix:

Erik Wrote:When a living thing dies, the aether comprising its life is released. It has been learned that when this discharge takes place, a portion of that aether remains, lingering in the physical world. No doubt you have come across aetherial crystallizations in the course of your travels. All scholars now agree that these are the physical manifestations of great concentrations of aether.

Right, well, the amount of aether that can shift between the physical and aetherial realms in any given instant is limited. I call this the aetherial threshold. Any aether present in excess of that threshold is left behind. The more violent or dramatic the loss of life, the greater the amount of inner aether released to take the form of crystals or remain imperceptibly in the atmosphere. And you surely recollect the scene I identified as the most apt to produce such violent deaths? On the field of battle!

Bahamut's aether is immense. The Elder Primal had spent nearly a year draining Hydaelyn of all Her life force to fuel himself and pulled even from the sun. When he died, he sent aether exploding out across the realm. At the site of his demise, the aether is at its greatest concentration, meaning that not all of it could have dissipated because of the aetherial threshold, leaving behind crystalline structures containing that taint. Go to the entrance to the final coil in the Burning Wall, even though it is sealed, perhaps the taint still leaks from within, trying to escape to the surface. Go to Carteneau, though Bahamut recovered much of his own aether to reconstruct his form, he could not fully reform due to much of his aether already dissipating or coalescing into crystal, which are clearly visible in the north reaches of Mor Dhona. Tap into the crystals and you should be able to recover enough of the taint to master his form.


This seems to follow pretty well in line with the actual summoning questline:
I Could Have Tranced All Night Wrote:Y'mhitra greets you with great enthusiasm, claiming to have unlocked a good many mysteries during her latest bout of study. She goes on to explain how you might circumvent the intrinsic aetheric limitations that prevented you from summoning Ramuh-Egi by adopting a method used by the ancient Allagans─a technique known as a “trance.” After suggesting that you attempt to infuse yourself with the essence of the terrible Bahamut, she admits that you will need Captain Wolf's assistance to enter what may be the only appropriate ritual location. Against his better judgment, Dancing Wolf has agreed to help you enter the contested territory of the Carteneau Flats. Head to the airship landing and petition the elite flyer to transport you to the edge of the aether-soaked wasteland.



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RE: An Au Ra Summoner and Bahamut - Killerwing - 01-03-2016

Thank you for the answer Sounsyy. That was very insightful and helped me a lot. Smile