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Inter-species Procreation. - T'zaia Tesli - 03-08-2016
Hey all, long time no see. Zaia coming back with a genuine curiosity about this subject.Â
Through all these forums posts ive read on google and such, i am curious.. Can other races procreate with one another? Like say.. Au Ra and Miqo'te? if so, would they have minor traits like eye color or hair color? or something a bit more?
I've been heavily searching but it seem's all i am running across is debates and such, could some one clarify this? if so, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks! Zaia Tesli.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Hyakki - 03-08-2016
I hate this, but it is possible.
G'raha Tia was miqo'te/hyur and Hilda is elezen/hyur. Currently it is unknown if non-hyur races can procreate with each other.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Faye - 03-08-2016
Heavensward Spoiler
We also know that Garleans can have children with other races (even if perhaps only Hyur). As for other races? I assume the same applies, but given the rules of biology and the fact that we don't see many in game that we know of, it's probably rare.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Vorlaix - 03-08-2016
As far as I am aware, there are no set restrictions on cross breeding.
Something to note though:
In Eorzea, interracial couples and VERY looked down upon. They are usually hated, or treated like garbage by the populace. Half-breeds would be even more so, religated to being second class citizens in most societies.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Faye - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 04:09 AM)Vorlaix Wrote: As far as I am aware, there are no set restrictions on cross breeding.
Something to note though:
In Eorzea, interracial couples and VERY looked down upon. They are usually hated, or treated like garbage by the populace. Half-breeds would be even more so, religated to being second class citizens in most societies.
What's the basis for this, though? The only evidence I ever see people cite for this is that singular quest, which is pretty ambiguous, and I haven't run across any other lore supporting that any hatred for interracial couples is that strong/common.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Lydia Lightfoot - 03-08-2016
There was a developer response to this at some point in which it was specifically stated that it is possible. That said, given how uncommon it appears to be within the non-PC game world (in other words, by a demographic statistic of NPCs representing the population proportions of the world), I would say with absolute certainty (and a tiny amount of snark) that anyone who wants to RP as a half-breed character should probably consider whether or not this detail will actually affect the character of their character in any non-superficial way, because in all likelihood most of the time all it will be is a pointless "look at what a special snowflake I am guys" detail and will be completely and utterly meaningless beyond trying to get attention.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Smagon - 03-08-2016
I don't think it ever comes up outside of that one quest, which is why people go straight to that one when they need to cite that. I'm sure it varies based on location, not unlike real life. Those two from the quest mention being from some village that no one has ever heard of. Ishgard I am sure looks down on interracial relationships. Gridania too, maybe. Ul'dah and Limsa I feel would care less about it. Limsa even has a couple of hooker NPC trying to pick up customers of different races and there is even a Roegadyn male being mugged by a hyur and her friend after he presumably tried to pick them up at the bar.
As for viability of interracial children, they are possible. Rare, but possible with a high possibility of mutations, if I remember correctly.
I would honestly just urge roleplayers to stay away from it even if they decide to go with one of the combinations supported by in game appearance. 80% of the time it adds nothing to your character outside of giving them an abnormal appearance. You could achieve the same results as a normal looking character. I am not saying that everyone that roleplays a mixed race character did it for bad reasons. I am just saying that 80% of them have.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Paradox - 03-08-2016
To my distinct knowledge, this is indeed possible, though I'd think that there would be standard complications based on biology. A Roegadyn child growing in a smaller race would likely lead to complications provided that Roe children are larger themselves. I'm not sure exactly, as we're not privy to that information. I would assume a Lalafell is incapable of carrying anything but a Lalafell child, though a Midlander might be possible, but don't quote me on that. Still wrapping my head around just how that would work. Au Ra may seem reptilian, but if they're anything like Miqo'te, who are basically just humans with cat ears and tails who evolved into such a form, it's likely they can crossbreed as well. As far as I'm aware they give live birth, though I have no natural comprehension of what a crossbreed would look like or what traits it would have.
Quote:given how uncommon it appears to be within the non-PC game world (in other words, by a demographic statistic of NPCs representing the population proportions of the world)
The thing there is, those are the NPCs we can see that are static in one place. And as large as the continents are, the NPCs we have are only a tiny fraction of the population proportions of the world. I understand that this is mostly due to space and programming constraints, mind. Too many NPCs in one place would be a mess, but I always assume that there are a lot more people walking around in capital cities than we can visibly see, because well. Capital cities are huge. I would also think it would be a little more common around Ul'dah or Limsa with its mercenary and pirate culture, and a lot more rare in say, Ishgard with clearly divided class lines and rules regarding marriage and relationships. But those are hypotheticals.
Quote:in all likelihood most of the time all it will be is a pointless "look at what a special snowflake I am guys" detail and will be completely and utterly meaningless beyond trying to get attention.Bit of a generalization of reasoning there. Sometimes people just want to play something different to see where it goes, if even for its own sake, though unfortunately they're met with a similar intolerance. I see nothing wrong with playing such a thing whether it affects specifically character or not. Let's be honest. Interracial children happen in the real world too, though in our case it's more of a skin color/features situation as opposed to things like horns, ears, tails and the like. And while depending on the community it can and does affect some of those children of mixed heritage, others are never bothered by it, or for it, and they just are who they are. Myself for example, I look for the most part, white. But I have more Native American blood than I do caucasian, but the Irish in my background won out. I would assume that similar situations crop up with crossbreeds as well. Maybe the features of one parent are so muted as to barely be there. Who knows. That's what Roleplay is for.
And let's also be honest; in a world of adventurers, barmaids, pirates, drunkards, ne'er-do-wells and so on, sometimes drunken trysts or one night stands happen. And sometimes things come out of those incidents. Just because someone wants to play a mixed character doesn't mean they're doing it for attention. Sometimes they're just doing it to be different, and unfortunately for a great deal of community, these things often get confused. I'll admit yes, it will likely be rare. But I'd rather not be the person that says 'you just want to be a special snowflake' just because they want to do something someone else hasn't or isn't widely done. If someone wants to play a crossbreed, give them a chance before you stamp them with 'bad'.
Quote:What's the basis for this, though? The only evidence I ever see people cite for this is that singular quest, which is pretty ambiguous, and I haven't run across any other lore supporting that any hatred for interracial couples is that strong/common.
Well, there is some racial tension (Duskwights and Wildwoods), and I would imagine some interracial couples would certainly be an oddity to some races. The only active racial discrimination I've seen in regards to halfbreeds or the like is in Ishgard. But you know how those Ishgardians are.
Quote:I would honestly just urge roleplayers to stay away from it even if they decide to go with one of the combinations supported by in game appearance.
I would urge the opposite. If someone is inspired by such a concept for their character, I think it would be exclusionary to urge roleplayers to not do something. Telling a roleplayer not to do something is not a way to breed creativity and diversity in roleplay. Just because other people are scared of certain possibilities and concepts doesn't mean they're inherently bad. Just that some people think they are, and they transfer their bad experiences onto others by trying to prevent them from enjoying their experience. If the lore supports it at all, then it is possible. I urge the roleplayer who wants to do it to question why, yes, but not to not do it at all.
Quote:I am not saying that everyone that roleplays a mixed race character did it for bad reasons. I am just saying that 80% of them have.
73.6% of all statistics are made up.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Valence - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 04:12 AM)Faye Wrote:(03-08-2016, 04:09 AM)Vorlaix Wrote: As far as I am aware, there are no set restrictions on cross breeding.
Something to note though:
In Eorzea, interracial couples and VERY looked down upon. They are usually hated, or treated like garbage by the populace. Half-breeds would be even more so, religated to being second class citizens in most societies.
What's the basis for this, though? The only evidence I ever see people cite for this is that singular quest, which is pretty ambiguous, and I haven't run across any other lore supporting that any hatred for interracial couples is that strong/common.
It's not only that, it's the rampant racism that is depicted and lore-canon everywhere. It was clearly stated by the writers that races live with each other because they have to, but in reality they just co-exist, while mistrust and racial slurs are common occurence, not just in Ishgard but almost everywhere.
With that in mind, it would seem weird to see hybrids and cross race couples not to be seen as an abomination by most.
Now, then, nuances, everywhere. Because the mainstream says that it's disgusting doesn't mean that it never happens, at the contrary.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Faye - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 05:17 AM)Valence Wrote:(03-08-2016, 04:12 AM)Faye Wrote:(03-08-2016, 04:09 AM)Vorlaix Wrote: As far as I am aware, there are no set restrictions on cross breeding.
Something to note though:
In Eorzea, interracial couples and VERY looked down upon. They are usually hated, or treated like garbage by the populace. Half-breeds would be even more so, religated to being second class citizens in most societies.
What's the basis for this, though? The only evidence I ever see people cite for this is that singular quest, which is pretty ambiguous, and I haven't run across any other lore supporting that any hatred for interracial couples is that strong/common.
It's not only that, it's the rampant racism that is depicted and lore-canon everywhere. It was clearly stated by the writers that races live with each other because they have to, but in reality they just co-exist, while mistrust and racial slurs are common occurence, not just in Ishgard but almost everywhere.
With that in mind, it would seem weird to see hybrids and cross race couples not to be seen as an abomination by most.
Now, then, nuances, everywhere. Because the mainstream says that it's disgusting doesn't mean that it never happens, at the contrary.
Where exactly is "everywhere?" Gridania is pretty xenophobic (race doesn't necessarily have much to do with it, just an aversion to "outsiders"), we're told Duskwights are generally disliked, and Ishgard is pretty darn racist, but aside from this, where do we see racism, particularly in the form of cross-species couples? You say it's "rampant," but I haven't really seen it much in game, if at all. It this point it just largely seems like the headcanon of role-players who've decided they want racial tension in their RP.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Maril - 03-08-2016
The official answer from Fernehalwes can be found here:Â http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/32685-Questions-related-to-Lore?p=490835&viewfull=1#post490835Â
It's not super fleshed out but it does give a gist of it. If it were to happen within RP I'd expect it to be highlighted as rare/unusual, and focus on pondering over how that may affect them long-term, such as how to fit into society. Â
Quote:"2. Can different races crossbreed?Â
Answer:Â Yes, but it is rare...and often difficult due to cultural differences, etc. which is why you don't see it often. The lore team has informed me that there will be future quests/events that touch on this and other issues, such as love and marriage."
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Kinono - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 05:34 AM)Faye Wrote: Where exactly is "everywhere?" Gridania is pretty xenophobic (race doesn't necessarily have much to do with it, just an aversion to "outsiders"), we're told Duskwights are generally disliked, and Ishgard is pretty darn racist, but aside from this, where do we see racism, particularly in the form of cross-species couples?
It was a dev comment a while back ago, if I remember correctly. I'm having trouble finding the exact post, but I do remember specifically when it first came up. It's been hinted at a few times in-game, but we haven't been shown anything absolutely blatant.
The Wanderer's Palace (hard) quest alludes to it, thought it could be argued they were referring to homosexuality (which, at the very least, is common enough in Limsa that one NPC speaks of it openly).
Quote:My dearest and I know their pain all too well. We both had to leave our birthplace. Why, you ask? Simply because we were different. No, we will not sit idly by and let the tonberries be subjected to such terrible treatment!
And of course, the case of Hilda, which again, is more classist than racist, I'd say.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Shoshopu - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 04:05 AM)Hyakki Wrote: I hate this, but it is possible.
G'raha Tia was miqo'te/hyur and Hilda is elezen/hyur. Currently it is unknown if non-hyur races can procreate with each other.
I thought G'raha's line was just gifted that blood after the fact and that's why he had it- I don't think he's literally the product of a miqo'te and a hyur union, unless I really missed something
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Valence - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 05:34 AM)Faye Wrote:(03-08-2016, 05:17 AM)Valence Wrote:(03-08-2016, 04:12 AM)Faye Wrote:(03-08-2016, 04:09 AM)Vorlaix Wrote: As far as I am aware, there are no set restrictions on cross breeding.
Something to note though:
In Eorzea, interracial couples and VERY looked down upon. They are usually hated, or treated like garbage by the populace. Half-breeds would be even more so, religated to being second class citizens in most societies.
What's the basis for this, though? The only evidence I ever see people cite for this is that singular quest, which is pretty ambiguous, and I haven't run across any other lore supporting that any hatred for interracial couples is that strong/common.
It's not only that, it's the rampant racism that is depicted and lore-canon everywhere. It was clearly stated by the writers that races live with each other because they have to, but in reality they just co-exist, while mistrust and racial slurs are common occurence, not just in Ishgard but almost everywhere.
With that in mind, it would seem weird to see hybrids and cross race couples not to be seen as an abomination by most.
Now, then, nuances, everywhere. Because the mainstream says that it's disgusting doesn't mean that it never happens, at the contrary.
Where exactly is "everywhere?" Gridania is pretty xenophobic (race doesn't necessarily have much to do with it, just an aversion to "outsiders"), we're told Duskwights are generally disliked, and Ishgard is pretty darn racist, but aside from this, where do we see racism, particularly in the form of cross-species couples? You say it's "rampant," but I haven't really seen it much in game, if at all. It this point it just largely seems like the headcanon of role-players who've decided they want racial tension in their RP.
Well unfortunately I don't happen to keep bookmarks for everything so I will have to ask someone else to come with what the writers/devs wrote on that, but I clearly remember it to be about how racial segregation and how every races tend to be wary and xenophobic to each other is pretty central to the depiction of the universe they are trying to sell us.
To clarify, I never said that hatred or disgust for cross race breeding is rampant lore wise, I said that lore and writers says that racism is rampant throughout Eorzea. That's lore, but don't quote me on that until someone comes to prove me right or wrong with the correct sources... It would not be the first time I misread something!
So with that in mind, and if that's true, my point is just that if the mainstream (especially institutionalized like in Ishgard, or out of traditions in Gridania) entertains the idea of racism strong enough, it seems only logical that for those same ideas, the concept of cross race breeding is abject.
To be clearer, the examples of racism ingame are legion. The examples of hatred specifically targeted at hybrid offsprings, not so much indeed. However the first premise to me makes the second one pretty much a given, or else it doesn't make much sense.
RE: Inter-species Procreation. - Faye - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 06:19 AM)Kinono Wrote:Quote:My dearest and I know their pain all too well. We both had to leave our birthplace. Why, you ask? Simply because we were different. No, we will not sit idly by and let the tonberries be subjected to such terrible treatment!
And of course, the case of Hilda, which again, is more classist than racist, I'd say.
Yeah, that's the quest I mentioned earlier that everyone cites. As you said, it could also be the fact it's homosexuality (or just the combination of a relationship that's both homosexual and cross-species being just "too much"), which is why I said it was ambiguous, on top of that fact is that all we know is that they came from their home to Camp Bronze Lake where they are apparently more accepted. There's no mention on whether their home is inside or outside of Eorzea.
Some people have mentioned Hilda as evidence, as well, but I'd also agree it's more to do with classism and the fact she was born of an affair out of wedlock.