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Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Warren Castille - 03-15-2016
The question: Are Orchestrion jukeboxes canon?
The argument: Yes, they're items we can place and interact with, so they are canon.
The argument: No, the only scrolls available are background/fight songs, and we have no idea how anyone would know to write down, say, Titan's or Ravana's vocal tracks.
Discuss. Do we make up our own famous artists who have scrolls made? Do we ignore the meta and let Weight of the Earth play? Discuss and argue and quotetrain in this space, if you please.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Jana - 03-15-2016
I've always thought they'd be like PSO2's jukeboxes you can put in your room. They work a little differently in that you can play only what you've collected in XIV as opposed to what's loaded into the box but the music itself is just music that doesn't necessarily need to be addressed in-universe track by track.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Caspar - 03-15-2016
Since perhaps it is just being used to change BGM, you may mean for it to be ignored. If not I bet it is in-universe music and not distorted industrial metal music.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Aden Dellebecque - 03-15-2016
Assume all the metal is imported from Garlemald.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Kellach Woods - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 10:25 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Discuss. Do we make up our own famous artists who have scrolls made? Do we ignore the meta and let Weight of the Earth play? Discuss and argue and quotetrain in this space, if you please.
LET'S GET THIS QUOTE TRAIN STARTED CHOO-CHOO.
All right, so we already have canon artists (and I ain't even talking PCs here - there's the Homunculi, Pierryvain the composer, etc. etc.) and some that go to the extremes (Pierryvain is in the Sea of Clouds for inspiration) to get inspired. And that's not counting the canonicity of the Wandering Minstrel (I'd put all Primal tracks composed by him in canon if we're going that route).
So I'd say they would at least have composers that could make rolls.
I'd extrapolate that Crystal Tower yielding certain tracks would be long lost allagan tomestones of music but yeah.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Warren Castille - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 11:06 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote:(03-15-2016, 10:25 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Discuss. Do we make up our own famous artists who have scrolls made? Do we ignore the meta and let Weight of the Earth play? Discuss and argue and quotetrain in this space, if you please.
LET'S GET THIS QUOTE TRAIN STARTED CHOO-CHOO.
All right, so we already have canon artists (and I ain't even talking PCs here - there's the Homunculi, Pierryvain the composer, etc. etc.) and some that go to the extremes (Pierryvain is in the Sea of Clouds for inspiration) to get inspired. And that's not counting the canonicity of the Wandering Minstrel (I'd put all Primal tracks composed by him in canon if we're going that route).
So I'd say they would at least have composers that could make rolls.
I'd extrapolate that Crystal Tower yielding certain tracks would be long lost allagan tomestones of music but yeah.
CHUGGACHUGGAWOOOWOOOOO
The Songbirds are also apparently taking Eorzea by storm.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - FreelanceWizard - 03-15-2016
As far as I'm concerned, the Orchestrions are canon, but then, I'm the (likely only) proponent of Game Mechanics Are Lore, Too. We've actually had some RP about the Orchestrion, such as musing about how they work, changing the roll to fit your mood, wondering why someone left it on, and so on. In the Tower house, any FC member can change the music.
In terms of where the music came from, music is a fundamental part of expression. I've gone with some of the rolls being modern compositions, but others being historical or beast tribe music that's recovered and restored or pieced together from historical artifacts -- basically, what the game tells us.
I realize that latter concept works better for professional adventurer characters, but there's nothing stopping less adventurous sorts from picking up said artifacts at auctions, from private collectors, etc.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Ciel - 03-15-2016
Warren, it's only an argument when people spend more time and energy on finding something to complain about than they spend on actually enjoying the game.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Warren Castille - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 11:41 AM)Ciel Wrote: Warren, it's only an argument when people spend more time and energy on finding something to complain about than they spend on actually enjoying the game.
WHAT'S THE SUPPOSED TO MEAN, YOU CALLIN' ME DUMB OR SUMMAT
I was mostly just curious how people treated it. It'd be neat for some of our bardy folks to have singles released and all. My personal feeling is that the music itself probably isn't canon, but the concept and jukebox itself are.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Val - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 11:08 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:(03-15-2016, 11:06 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote:(03-15-2016, 10:25 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Discuss. Do we make up our own famous artists who have scrolls made? Do we ignore the meta and let Weight of the Earth play? Discuss and argue and quotetrain in this space, if you please.
LET'S GET THIS QUOTE TRAIN STARTED CHOO-CHOO.
All right, so we already have canon artists (and I ain't even talking PCs here - there's the Homunculi, Pierryvain the composer, etc. etc.) and some that go to the extremes (Pierryvain is in the Sea of Clouds for inspiration) to get inspired. And that's not counting the canonicity of the Wandering Minstrel (I'd put all Primal tracks composed by him in canon if we're going that route).
So I'd say they would at least have composers that could make rolls.
I'd extrapolate that Crystal Tower yielding certain tracks would be long lost allagan tomestones of music but yeah.
CHUGGACHUGGAWOOOWOOOOO
The Songbirds are also apparently taking Eorzea by storm.
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But on a serious note, I just kind of shrug this stuff off and go with the flow of whatever the people I'm RPing with say. I can see both arguments having validity, all things considered. I kind of agree, though, that while the music isn't canon (since it's just theme music for the game itself), the item could be and would play other songs.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Maril - 03-15-2016
I am personally on the fence with it. I'd have loved if there was more to it than what we have, but then I also really just want there to be more lore everywhere. I guess one thing that speaks in it's favor is that the music gets quieter when you walk away from it, so it isn't just "This music is now somehow everywhere"
From what I have seen of reactions within my FC have been mostly embracing it, no one questioning the big how & why's as such, but just accepting that there is now a thing there and it makes music. Personally it's become kind of like time for me - not mentioning it when that is a possibility seems safer.Â
A reaction I could think my way to, is if someone plays a travelling/performing bard (that embraces them as canon) they could mutter about their trade dying thanks to modern inventions.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Marcy - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 01:31 PM)Nailah Wrote: A reaction I could think my way to, is if someone plays a travelling/performing bard (that embraces them as canon) they could mutter about their trade dying thanks to modern inventions.
See, and Marcellain is an etrepreneur at heart. He's somehow got strong-armed into using Orchestrions to start producing an indie label.
Please look forward to it.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Kellach Woods - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 11:16 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: As far as I'm concerned, the Orchestrions are canon, but then, I'm the (likely only) proponent of Game Mechanics Are Lore, Too. We've actually had some RP about the Orchestrion, such as musing about how they work, changing the roll to fit your mood, wondering why someone left it on, and so on. In the Tower house, any FC member can change the music.
Oh, don't worry. I am too.
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Gabineaux - 03-15-2016
What what WHAT?! Next thing you know, people will be saying FANTASIAS are canon and we can't have THAT can we?Â
Honestly, if it's an item in game I can see I have no problem RPing it's there. I can see that big ass glowing box in their house. I mean, if they can make little wind up dolls, guns, and you know.. mages that throw fire and mend wounds.. why not a box that plays music. Who is this hurting?
RE: Orchestrion Canonocity: The New Argument - Val - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 01:48 PM)Marcy Wrote:(03-15-2016, 01:31 PM)Nailah Wrote: A reaction I could think my way to, is if someone plays a travelling/performing bard (that embraces them as canon) they could mutter about their trade dying thanks to modern inventions.
See, and Marcellain is an etrepreneur at heart. He's somehow got strong-armed into using Orchestrions to start producing an indie label.
Please look forward to it.
Radio porn