(11-18-2016, 04:51 AM)Valence Wrote: With your criterias in mind, we know that Garleans enlist all the natives they conquer indiscrimately and so you will probably find a decent amount of miqo'te in their military, but since you would rather prefer something 'quieter' in terms of background without having to involve defection and whatnot, maybe it's not the best option, though it is still an option.

Quote:Sharlayan is a good option as well. The AST questline also shows how foreign and culture shocked sharlayans tend to be when they come to Eorzea, due to the isolation and protectionism they live under, on their islands. Sharlayans tend to find eorzean rather barbaric and silly. Their first reaction is often contempt or arrogance. Overall, the Sharlayans are very, very arrogant librarians, although it doesn't mean they all are of course, but politically, they mostly lean towards strong isolationism and sitting on their own pile of knowledge for the sake of knowledge, especially in the faction of the Bibliothecs (far right conservatist wing).

(11-18-2016, 07:43 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: Do the Garleans conscript every non-Garlean they come across, or do they just have a non-discrimination policy? Or do they impose a quota of a certain number of conscripts from each given region, and it's just a matter of luck (and possibly some minimum criteria)?

I don't actually know much about how Garlemard rules its domains. Logically they shouldn't be too hard on the majority of their holdings, apart from the rebellious ones like Doma and possibly Ala Mhigo, simply because otherwise they'd have rebellions everywhere. So I was thinking it's possible for P'liko to have come from a Garlean-controlled territory, but not really care one way or another due to daily life being more or less the same as before. Or maybe the Garleans had been in charge for long enough that most people have gotten used to it; the saying about fish not noticing water comes to mind.

So P'liko would have no opinions on Garlemard either way, and her actions in the latter stages of the 7th Umbral Era MSQ would be mostly due to Holy Carp Ultima Weapon, and she unconsciously separates the Garleans invading Eorzea from the (totally reasonable) Garleans ruling her homeland.

Of course, I could be totally wrong about all of this, in which case I'd better look for a non-Garlean region for P'liko to come from.

(11-18-2016, 07:43 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: I pin a lot of hopes for Sharlayan being a valid option on Y'shtola, who is pretty cool (and coolly pretty). I seem to recall she, and a lot of other Scions, is from Sharlayan, and the only remotely arrogant thing she did so far is the usual "why can't everyone see this horrible thing happening in the near future" from the MSQ. Well, that and exasperation with Yda, but everyone gets exasperated with Yda. (I love Yda.)

(11-18-2016, 09:49 AM)Kilieit Wrote: (There are definitely some colonialist overtones there if you look. What Valence said about Sharlayans being arrogant is right. Even the benevolent Louisoix, held up as a hero across Eorzea, had hubris - in assuming that removing what must have essentially been children at the time from their natural culture to "give them a proper education", because obviously native Eorzeans aren't capable of doing that, was what was best for them.)

Quote:We also see a couple of young Sharlayans choosing to travel to Eorzea, and though they have their own reasons (they're Louisoix's grandkids lmao), it again emphasises that Sharlayans are allowed to travel to Eorzea (and also lets us know that age of majority in Sharlayan is 16). And there's a lot of draw for any person who hasn't become jaded yet, especially the young and impressionable - Eorzea is a land of gods and monsters, heroes and disasters, and even someone raised in the Sharlayan tradition might think a life of adventure in Eorzea seems more exciting or at least like it's worth studying close-up.

(11-18-2016, 10:10 AM)Virella Wrote: Thavnair might be an option for you as well! Eorzea still trades with it, so it isn't far fetched your character would have made their way from that place to Eorzea.

(11-18-2016, 03:33 PM)Yian Kutku Wrote: Snip

(11-18-2016, 12:33 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: I want my Miqo'te Seeker of the Sun character (P'liko Cuga) to be new to Eorzea. What options do I have? So the options for where P'liko comes from would be places which have a decent Miqo'te population, and which allow regular commercial sea travel to Limsa Lominsa. The latter almost certainly exists; even if I get the impression the entire world minus Eorzea is Garlean-occupied, that does not preclude trade.

(11-18-2016, 07:43 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: I don't actually know much about how Garlemard rules its domains. Logically they shouldn't be too hard on the majority of their holdings, apart from the rebellious ones like Doma and possibly Ala Mhigo, simply because otherwise they'd have rebellions everywhere. So I was thinking it's possible for P'liko to have come from a Garlean-controlled territory, but not really care one way or another due to daily life being more or less the same as before. Or maybe the Garleans had been in charge for long enough that most people have gotten used to it; the saying about fish not noticing water comes to mind.

(11-18-2016, 12:33 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: The former is trickier, since Miqo'te apparently came to Eorzea from "across the frozen seas" during one of the Umbral Calamities, but I don't actually know where they came from, or what Miqo'te society is like outside of Eorzea.

(11-18-2016, 03:33 PM)Yian Kutku Wrote: I know nothing about Thavnair apart from a Thavnairan Bolero that I think I got from the Palace Of The Dead hoard. Googling, it appears to be an island nation in the "Near East" that is known for alchemy and being desert-hot. Which does match the whole Seeker Of The Sun savannah-cat thing, but I'm not as comfortable with it, since I know even less about Thavnair than the little I do about Sharlayan.

(11-18-2016, 12:33 AM)Yian Kutku Wrote: I'd also prefer if P'liko's origin is relatively drama-free, so nothing like escaping Garlean persecution or such. P'liko travelled to Eorzea in pursuit of knowledge, learning all she can, simply because she likes learning new things. Right now I tentatively put P'liko's home as Sharlayan, or at least somewhere around that area. This is entirely because I don't see any of the major cities on Eorzea as valid origin points for P'liko for various reasons, and Sharlayan is an option only because I know next to nothing about it.

(11-18-2016, 03:33 PM)Yian Kutku Wrote: Is there anything in particular about Sharlayan I should know about? Given whatever can be easily Googled as a base, and the extra tidbits in this thread. If nothing else, I can headcanon the vague bits, but I'd rather not contradict canon/fanon.

(11-18-2016, 03:33 PM)Yian Kutku Wrote: I admit I'm not sure how old to make my character, apart from the generic "old enough to be of age". I don't even know what Miqo'te lifespans are like in general, much less if Sharlayan Miqo'te have different lifespans than those living in harsher conditions.

(11-19-2016, 12:25 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: This is actually a factoid from the Lore Book that's under contention, as it conflicts with previously given lore. There is lore that both supports Miqo'te once living on the southern continent of Meracydia, which they abandoned after the ravishes of the Allagan War left much of the continent a desolate wasteland to this very day, but other sources place migratory tribes of Miqo'te in southern Ilsabard and the Near East, forced northwards there during the twilight of the Allagan Empire. While the Ilsabardian origin makes very little sense, as outlined in the link, it's still one valid origin of many Miqo'te tribes, and unfortunately we won't know more until Fernehalwes gives us a ruling on the topic.

I'll go ahead and drop lore on Meracydia below, and info on the Near East is coming next.
-Meracydian Lore from Encyclopedia Eorzea
-Meracydian Lore Compilation & Lominsan Origin Theory*
*The theory that Limsa was founded by Meracydians was officially debunked.

(11-19-2016, 07:16 AM)Valence Wrote: What prevents the main miqo'te migration to happen out of Meracydia during the Endless Frost, while another happens in Ilsabard, at the same time or after, whatever?

Encyclopedia Eorzea Wrote:As is the case with nearly the entirety of the Fourth Astral Era, the great calamity which would end the period is also shrouded in mystery. Tribal legend and local folklore does, however, speak of a seemingly endless winter that brought with it bitter cold, raging snowstorms, and giant rivers of ice. Without the ability to grow crops, much of the population perished, or was forced to flee to the south and its more temperate climes. It is believed that for the years that encompassed the Fifth Umbral Era - or as it is also known, the Age of Endless Frost - much of the Bloodbrine Sea was frozen solid, on one hand preventing fishing and decimating the populations of sea life, but on the other, allowing for the migration of Miqo'te tribes from southern Ilsabard into northern Eorzea - tribes made up of descendants of the very same Miqo'te who were persecuted against and driven from Eorzea by the Allagan Empire almost two millennia earlier. The newly hardened seas of this frigid era provided the tribes with a means around the massive peaks of Gyr Abania that prevented their return in the Fourth Astral Era, and while there was little awaiting them in the rime-encrusted realm when they arrived, their uncanny ability in the hunt granted them a means of survival until the frost had melted.

It was not long after their return to the realm that the Miqo'te learned of the new Eorzean alphabet. Tribal seers were quick to claim that the fact the number of letters in that alphabet - twenty-six - directly corresponded with the exact number of Seeker of the Sun tribes that had made the journey across the frozen seas was most fortuitous, subsequently convincing the tribes that they should each take one of those letters to its name.

It is not uncommon even today for massive floating islands of ice to appear in the winter moons along Eorzea's northernmost coasts - the Farreach. In the Fifth Umbral Era, however, these frozen mountains were said to have appeared as far south as the Jade Sea.

Miqo'te Naming Conventions Wrote:In the mass exodus which occurred during the Fifth Umbral Era, 26 Seeker of the Sun tribes crossed the seas (which had frozen solid as a result of the Calamity) to Eorzea in search of food and warmer climates. The names of these tribes contained many sounds which were difficult to represent with the existing Eorzean alphabet; but the fact that there were the same exact number of tribes as letters in the Eorzean alphabet was taken as a sign that they were destined to make the new realm their home, and so assigned each tribe with a letter/sound that was closest to its name. Over time, this resulted in the changing of the pronunciation to more closely resemble the pronunciation of the Eorzean letter than that of the original word.

DAT Files Wrote:It is believed the Miqo'te first came to Eorzea during the Fifth Umbral Era, fleeing their ravaged homeland on the southern continent of Meracydia.