(05-21-2017, 05:43 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: SE is going to do neither. There is no "convincing" here. We tried to get an RP server designated when 2.0 was launching and they said they would consider it and decided against it. In fact I remember them saying they wanted the community to decide and I doubt they'll change their stance on that.

We can TRY, I know Nero did in fact put that suggestion on the official forums. There was no word from SE.

We need to hope for the best, but EXPECT that they won't, and therefore need a plan.

(05-21-2017, 05:45 PM)Sig Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:43 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: SE is going to do neither. There is no "convincing" here. We tried to get an RP server designated when 2.0 was launching and they said they would consider it and decided against it. In fact I remember them saying they wanted the community to decide and I doubt they'll change their stance on that.

We can TRY, I know Nero did in fact put that suggestion on the official forums. There was no word from SE.

We need to hope for the best, but EXPECT that they won't, and therefore need a plan.

How do you know this?  None of us know what SE would or would not do.  I certainly think our chances would be better if even 10% of FFXIV roleplayers made a concerted effort to request SE to designate an official RP server!

Nero did a great job posting this issue to the official forums (see my OP for the link), and we should be working to support the proposal to designate an official RP server.

(05-21-2017, 05:49 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: I know because we've done it before. We actually got word to the higher ups about an RP server from some of the connections we had back then. Their response was "We want the community to decide what is or what isn't"

How do you know they'll listen? Because all of us at the RPC at the time threw our weight into that.

I have evidence they won't, you have no evidence they will.

(05-21-2017, 05:50 PM)Val Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:45 PM)Sig Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:43 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: SE is going to do neither. There is no "convincing" here. We tried to get an RP server designated when 2.0 was launching and they said they would consider it and decided against it. In fact I remember them saying they wanted the community to decide and I doubt they'll change their stance on that.

We can TRY, I know Nero did in fact put that suggestion on the official forums. There was no word from SE.

We need to hope for the best, but EXPECT that they won't, and therefore need a plan.

How do you know this?  None of us know what SE would or would not do.  I certainly think our chances would be better if even 10% of FFXIV roleplayers made a concerted effort to request SE to designate an official RP server!

Nero did a great job posting this issue to the official forums (see my OP for the link), and we should be working to support the proposal to designate an official RP server.

The point is that 10%--and more--of XIV RPers have already made a concerted effort to request them to designate a server. You're assuming your importance is far beyond anything than it actually is. I'm sure they may (and already have) consider it, but with the expansion, server move, and other bugs/game issues making a new server specifically for a very small percentage of the population is not going to be on the top of their list. I doubt it even makes top 10, meaning you can fuss and scream and whine and yell as much as you want but it isn't going to get it done any faster.

(05-21-2017, 05:53 PM)Sig Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:49 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: I know because we've done it before. We actually got word to the higher ups about an RP server from some of the connections we had back then. Their response was "We want the community to decide what is or what isn't"

How do you know they'll listen? Because all of us at the RPC at the time threw our weight into that.

I have evidence they won't, you have no evidence they will.

You under-estimate the ability of angry consumers to demand and receive the changes they request.  SE's opinions towards RP have become more reception, as demonstrated by the RP tag.

(05-21-2017, 05:55 PM)Sig Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:50 PM)Val Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:45 PM)Sig Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:43 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: SE is going to do neither. There is no "convincing" here. We tried to get an RP server designated when 2.0 was launching and they said they would consider it and decided against it. In fact I remember them saying they wanted the community to decide and I doubt they'll change their stance on that.

We can TRY, I know Nero did in fact put that suggestion on the official forums. There was no word from SE.

We need to hope for the best, but EXPECT that they won't, and therefore need a plan.

How do you know this?  None of us know what SE would or would not do.  I certainly think our chances would be better if even 10% of FFXIV roleplayers made a concerted effort to request SE to designate an official RP server!

Nero did a great job posting this issue to the official forums (see my OP for the link), and we should be working to support the proposal to designate an official RP server.

The point is that 10%--and more--of XIV RPers have already made a concerted effort to request them to designate a server. You're assuming your importance is far beyond anything than it actually is. I'm sure they may (and already have) consider it, but with the expansion, server move, and other bugs/game issues making a new server specifically for a very small percentage of the population is not going to be on the top of their list. I doubt it even makes top 10, meaning you can fuss and scream and whine and yell as much as you want but it isn't going to get it done any faster.

That's strange.  I haven't seen this effort.  Outside of Nero and perhaps 15 RPers who made posts in support of his thread, I haven't seen any other type of effort recently to convince SE to designate an official RP server (because it has not been needed).

Slapping a tag on a new server that says <RP> costs minimal resources, and if enough consumers are asking for it -- SE will likely oblige.  That's what happens when consumers "fuss" and "whine" about things [aka: make reasonable requests].

(05-21-2017, 05:56 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: Yo I hate to tell you but "precedent"- which is "an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances." - is admissible in the court of law so I would say I have some evidence to stand on here. I can sight precedent, you can sight a wing and a prayer.

(05-21-2017, 05:41 PM)Sig Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:32 PM)EliBallard Wrote: Nothing will "kill Balmung" and that isn't the issue people should be focusing on. In fact, it's people coming in here to whine about that that takes away from the actual problem with the server lock, which is the people outside Balmung. Please stop making this about Balmung, nothing will happen, it will not die.

A new community is a good thing, if you're arguing that people are hurting the community by not all forcing themselves onto Balmung (while forcing them to pay money to do so) is ignorant and selfish. Please consider the people locked out and actually affected by this and don't turn it into a stupid "BALMUNG IS DYING" thread.

Overlooking inflammatory language again (try omitting it sometime). 

The real solution to help new RPers locked out lies in one of the following:

(1) Convincing SE to lift the server transfer restriction; or

(2) Convincing SE to designate an official RP server.

We're not helping new RPers by creating yet another fragmented "unofficial" RP server that will never obtain a population capable of sustaining a diverse community (this has failed countless times before for the reasons stated in the OP).  Players on the smaller servers should welcome the newcomers, but migrating to the central RP hub (wherever it will be) should be in the end game.

(05-21-2017, 05:57 PM)Val Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:53 PM)Sig Wrote:

(05-21-2017, 05:49 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: I know because we've done it before. We actually got word to the higher ups about an RP server from some of the connections we had back then. Their response was "We want the community to decide what is or what isn't"

How do you know they'll listen? Because all of us at the RPC at the time threw our weight into that.

I have evidence they won't, you have no evidence they will.

You under-estimate the ability of angry consumers to demand and receive the changes they request.  SE's opinions towards RP have become more reception, as demonstrated by the RP tag.

It's this alone that makes gamers into the entitled, pretentious pricks that they are today---to the point that a lot of them have become insufferable. Well, maybe not a lot, but the vocal majority certainly are.

Companies don't owe people anything unless they thoroughly screw something up. And even to that note, when a majority of consumers demand something you are likely to see it. RPers in XIV are not the majority. I'd argue they're hardly even a fraction.

(05-21-2017, 06:02 PM)Sig Wrote: Requesting for developers to implement changes that will improve the game for a substantial amount of users doesn't make someone a "entitled, pretentious prick."  Asking for a RP server -- which will take almost no resources -- isn't unreasonable.

RPers are not the majority.  But we are a substantial number of players, and it is reasonable for RPers to desire an official, designated server, as shown by the number of MMORPGS that support such a thing.