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RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Teadrinker - 10-14-2017 (10-14-2017, 05:53 PM)Parvacake Wrote:(10-14-2017, 04:44 PM)Faye Wrote:I think what they mean is when someone preplans this kind of thing purely for drama's sake. Less so for progressing a story and moreso because they want to recreate Days of Our Lives: Eorzea Edition.(10-14-2017, 10:21 AM)Kaiverta Wrote: Setting up IC drama. I personally almost never pre-plan RPs. I like spontaneity more than planned situations, but sometimes planning things is required. It becomes an issue when the other person says things like, "Omg it's so juicy, I love it!" Basically when it becomes gossip. "IC Drama" can also mean different things to different people. Like when I hear IC drama I think mystery and intrigue and combat etc. Someone else might think "love triangle" and think that's great RP meanwhile other people could be running for the hills. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Faye - 10-14-2017 (10-14-2017, 05:53 PM)Parvacake Wrote: I think what they mean is when someone preplans this kind of thing purely for drama's sake. Less so for progressing a story and moreso because they want to recreate Days of Our Lives: Eorzea Edition. I guess I have admittedly watched enough Days in my time that I don't see that as a unanimously bad thing LOL just a matter of people needing to be on the same page about what they want happening in the RP RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Kaiverta - 10-15-2017 (10-14-2017, 05:53 PM)Parvacake Wrote:(10-14-2017, 04:44 PM)Faye Wrote:I think what they mean is when someone preplans this kind of thing purely for drama's sake. Less so for progressing a story and moreso because they want to recreate Days of Our Lives: Eorzea Edition.(10-14-2017, 10:21 AM)Kaiverta Wrote: Setting up IC drama. I personally almost never pre-plan RPs. I like spontaneity more than planned situations, but sometimes planning things is required. It becomes an issue when the other person says things like, "Omg it's so juicy, I love it!" Basically when it becomes gossip. I hope this tags you both... o.o But yes, when people do this sort of thing purely for the OOC juiciness of there being drama ICly. For instance, I had one player who would sort of do things to try embarrass my character because that player OOCly was a gossip and loved drama, so she saturated her RP with her OOC attitude and behaviour. There was no furthering of the storyline, and it even cut the storyline short in some cases, purely because she wanted the drama. She even went against how her character had been (with mine) in the past for drama's sake, and that ended their IC friendship. Things like that. :3 RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - C'kayah Polaali - 10-15-2017 These are all fantastic examples, and many of them raise red flags with me when I see them. However, I think, at the end of the day the big ones for me - and by that I mean the sort of red flags that will make me want to not RP with someone in a significant way - are RPers who say "no" instead of "yes, and...", and RPers who are completely unwilling to have any OOC discussion about how a scene/event/approach might work. The "no" vs "yes, and..." thing is straight out of improv. When we RP, we're doing improv. We're putting on an unscripted show for our own (and hopefully other people's) entertainment. There's a cardinal rule in improv that you should try to respond to the other actors in a way that builds upon what they do. Your actions should say "yes, and...", instead of shutting them down with "no". In my experience, RPers who shut down RP with "no" tend to be the ones who are unduly focused on "winning" the RP. The "no OOC discussion of approach" thing is probably a little more controversial, but let me explain. When I'm bored, I tend to hang out in places like the Quicksand looking for RPers. I examine people's search text, I look for characters who are walking or are dressed in appropriate outfits, and I'll send them /tells saying things like "Hi, what sort of RP are you looking for?" Some people get very insistent that they don't want to discuss anything like that at all, that they want to let RP develop naturally from the approach. I can understand that, but in my experience many (if not most) of those approaches devolve into simple "Hot, isn't it?" conversations that are soon over. If someone doesn't provide anything for you to get traction with, then the RP won't develop anywhere. There's another slice of "no OOC discussion" players who fall on the extreme opposite of this. They want the stories to happen to their characters without any control on their part. It sounds good in principle, but it tends to become hard to RP with those people because their characters are constantly getting into terrible binds. I think there's something about players like that where they're attracted to players who want to force actions on others, and those players are attracted to them as the ideal victims. I have no problem with people wanting that, but I really don't want to be caught in the middle of that. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Mermaid - 10-16-2017 (10-15-2017, 02:26 PM)Ckayah Polaali Wrote: The "no OOC discussion of approach" thing is probably a little more controversial, but let me explain. When I'm bored, I tend to hang out in places like the Quicksand looking for RPers. I examine people's search text, I look for characters who are walking or are dressed in appropriate outfits, and I'll send them /tells saying things like "Hi, what sort of RP are you looking for?" Oh, I'm with you here. I wouldn't say "no OOC discussion" is a red flag that might keep me from role playing with someone but it is a sign that it may not go further than a simple conversation and the characters never interacting again. I play a character that needs some pushes here and there to make her interact with people. Unless the character she's interacting with is particularly outgoing and eager to make friends then it's unlikely to develop naturally. Preplanning a reason for interaction, even a simple one, always works best for me. It doesn't have to be a railroad and things can still happen naturally in between. I also like to know what's on the other person's mind and what they might want when/if more does happen. I'm okay with all kinds of stuff (like injuries and romance) but I like being asked first so I can discuss any concerns I might have. We role play for enjoyment and I think we owe it to each other to at least try to make sure the other side is happy and comfortable with how a scene is going. That's something you need OOC for. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Kaiverta - 10-19-2017 (10-15-2017, 01:36 AM)Kaiverta Wrote:(10-14-2017, 05:53 PM)Parvacake Wrote:(10-14-2017, 04:44 PM)Faye Wrote:I think what they mean is when someone preplans this kind of thing purely for drama's sake. Less so for progressing a story and moreso because they want to recreate Days of Our Lives: Eorzea Edition.(10-14-2017, 10:21 AM)Kaiverta Wrote: Setting up IC drama. I personally almost never pre-plan RPs. I like spontaneity more than planned situations, but sometimes planning things is required. It becomes an issue when the other person says things like, "Omg it's so juicy, I love it!" Basically when it becomes gossip. Perfect example! What I was talking about JUST happened about an hour ago. This one person, who was in my example before, just said, "Who wants to do a mass murder? My character would never ask people IC but I want to do it OOC." That's a small, relatively sort of harmless thing, but it's an example of creating IC drama for OOC purposes. That is a huge red flag for me. It has always led to worse. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Faye - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 12:08 AM)Kaiverta Wrote: Perfect example! What I was talking about JUST happened about an hour ago. I mean, on some level you gotta push things along OOC and make things happen. The RP doesn't always flow in an exciting direction naturally. Everything we do in RP is for "OOC purposes," we're doing this for OOC entertainment and not to robotically carry out the lives of some pretend people. But I get what you mean it's annoying when things that make no sense IC are done for OOC shits and giggles. It's about keeping a balance between OOC enjoyment and IC believability. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Lucius Ignatius - 10-19-2017 Generally I tend to be open and accepting of almost anyone within certain bounds--I give anyone the benefit of the doubt until I know them better. That being said, after being in multiple RP communities over the years, I've come to know quite a few Red Flags. I'll put a few that come to mind for now (hopefully these don't come off as peevish!), but I may think of more later. A lot of these have been mentioned I'm sure, but I'd like to add my two cents.
RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Kaiverta - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 04:16 AM)Faye Wrote:(10-19-2017, 12:08 AM)Kaiverta Wrote: Perfect example! What I was talking about JUST happened about an hour ago. Yep, I've got no problem with creating storylines, but this one person is actually a gossip and drama-causing Queen, so in her case, when she says stuff like above, it usually isn't for the benefit of the story. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Faye - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 07:46 AM)Kaiverta Wrote: Yep, I've got no problem with creating storylines, but this one person is actually a gossip and drama-causing Queen, so in her case, when she says stuff like above, it usually isn't for the benefit of the story. Not everything has to be for "story's" sake, though, and what doesn't advance a group story or your character's personal story could still contribute to their own character's personal growth. Once again RP is for fun, not to mechanically carry out some "story." Guess I still fail to see the harm in it as long as it makes some kind of IC sense and isn't done throwing caution to the wind for some OOC whim. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Kaiverta - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 04:13 PM)Faye Wrote:(10-19-2017, 07:46 AM)Kaiverta Wrote: Yep, I've got no problem with creating storylines, but this one person is actually a gossip and drama-causing Queen, so in her case, when she says stuff like above, it usually isn't for the benefit of the story. Nothing wrong with that either, but this person does it specifically to create OOC drama stemming from the RP. So she in particular is a red-flag case. There are plenty of people who aren't like that, too. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - C'kayah Polaali - 10-19-2017 (10-16-2017, 12:45 AM)Mermaid Wrote:(10-15-2017, 02:26 PM)Ckayah Polaali Wrote: The "no OOC discussion of approach" thing is probably a little more controversial, but let me explain. When I'm bored, I tend to hang out in places like the Quicksand looking for RPers. I examine people's search text, I look for characters who are walking or are dressed in appropriate outfits, and I'll send them /tells saying things like "Hi, what sort of RP are you looking for?" Yeah, exactly. I mean, I get that some people want everything to happen based on IC interactions, and they feel that any sort of OOC discussion harms that possibility, but honestly most people who feel that way are very passionate about it and they'll *say* so, OOCly, if I ask them via a /tell. I have no problem with that, and often those players can be very good. What I'm more talking about are players who, in response to "What sort of RP do you like", simply say "Anything". I've learned that this usually translates into either "I'm not fun to RP with", or "I expect you to come up with everything and provide me with RP on a platter. But I'll tell you if I don't like it." Plus the aforementioned "I am open to anything to happen to my character, and I shall not object to anything" people. Which, in my experience, means that they'll try to suck me into every two bit drama that glances in their direction. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Shofie - 10-20-2017 I can't speak for everyone, but here are some things that have proven to be reliable red flags for me: Controlling RP partners; i.e. If a partner insists you RP with them constantly. Doesn't want you to roleplay with other people ever. Gets upset if you do, or moves into the guilt trip because you did, like you "owe" them something now. Partners who guilt trip you: "It's been a long time since we've roleplayed! C'mon!"Â People who want to RP with me (or any artists) because they want free art. Constantly dropping hints I should draw a scene, etc. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Rance - 10-21-2017 I consider myself maybe too forgiving when it comes to RPing. Spelling mistakes? Mistells? No capitalization? I forgive them all because at some point I made those errors as well. But when someone approaches my female characters with the following search info: "FU/F/Trans Only" or similar, I know I am going to have a bad time. I have nothing against people who have those preferences but that usually is a bad sign in my experience. Jesus. RE: Red Flags in RP/RP Partners? - Ramen - 10-23-2017 Whenever I see someone tag their character with "Trash" or more specifically "Trash cat/catte". It ain't one of those 100% all the time those people'll be an issue but I'm learning to just downright avoid that sort of thing and hope one day someone will surprise me. |