(08-09-2013, 10:26 PM)Aldeus Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 10:13 PM)Reppu Wrote: Just remember, to everyone adamantly 'striking' for this? There's a line between making your case known, and then there's being insensitive to all parties involved by being overbearing and unreasonable.

When you cross the line, you poison what you're fighting for, and what you're fighting for is no longer the pure ideal you were fighting for. Of course, no one has gone to this obvious extreme, yet. And hopefully never will.

But for those threatening or will quit because Square Enix is not catering to your ideal? Is the kind of immature browbeating that poisons your argument. Show your support by playing, and put some confidence that the FFXIV developers will deliver what you're asking for when they feel they can.

Most of the MMO examples given so far? Did not start with homosexual marriage. Be reasonable, look at what you're comparing, and see that everything takes time, especially with delicate situations like this.

As for me? I'm all for it, but I also know it won't ruin my roleplaying experience if it doesn't happen immediately, or ever. But this is just me. I don't tend to always roleplay my matching sexuality.

And in the end, love transcends a title. If my female Miqo'te finds a female _____, I'll roleplay a wedding with out the 'official' consent. But, again, that's just me. Me putting a little more faith in FFXIV to deliver. And even if they don't?

I still got everything else.

Who has threatened to quit so far?

(08-09-2013, 10:05 PM)Magellan Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 10:01 PM)S Wrote: Quite honestly? I doubt that homosexual marriage will be a part of ARR anytime soon, if at all.

Does it bother me? Not really. 

There's always the arguments, "It's only a game, get over it". But if it were the other way around, would you be able to? If certain races were barred from marriage (be they hetero or homo), would it be getting the same easy-going responses? Doubtful.

Anyhow, unless there are certain bonuses you get from marriage, I say to Hells with it. We can create our own ceremonies and have a blast doing so.

Well said! People get so caught up in 'it's not a big deal' when... it is. For people who are LGBT, its kind of invalidating their gaming experience. What if Miqo's were restricted from marriage? What if only people who paid $5 extra per month could get married? What if only fair-skinned people could get married, or only Legacy players?

There would be a lot of flack about above scenarios, so how is this any different? People have the right to express themselves, their sexuality, and to ask SE to deliver a better, equal marriage system.

(08-09-2013, 11:05 PM)Colyer Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 10:05 PM)Magellan Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 10:01 PM)S Wrote: Quite honestly? I doubt that homosexual marriage will be a part of ARR anytime soon, if at all.

Does it bother me? Not really. 

There's always the arguments, "It's only a game, get over it". But if it were the other way around, would you be able to? If certain races were barred from marriage (be they hetero or homo), would it be getting the same easy-going responses? Doubtful.

Anyhow, unless there are certain bonuses you get from marriage, I say to Hells with it. We can create our own ceremonies and have a blast doing so.

Well said! People get so caught up in 'it's not a big deal' when... it is. For people who are LGBT, its kind of invalidating their gaming experience. What if Miqo's were restricted from marriage? What if only people who paid $5 extra per month could get married? What if only fair-skinned people could get married, or only Legacy players?

There would be a lot of flack about above scenarios, so how is this any different? People have the right to express themselves, their sexuality, and to ask SE to deliver a better, equal marriage system.

Honestly they said they are considering it, that is good enough for me. And even if they don't it won't invalidate my gaming experience. Honestly I'll probably less miffed than when Bioware decided no same sex relationships and that was because with the right appearance mod Corso was kinda cute. 

As far as any future RP goes, if I do end up RPing a same sex relationship and marriage comes up, I will treat it one of two ways - either what Yoshi is correct that lore-wise it is accepted and the fact I can't do the marriage "quest" as a game play mechanic or if the lore states it is not generally accepted then I will say the city-states do not dictate my relationship, how my partner and I feel do.

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(08-09-2013, 11:32 PM)S Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 11:05 PM)Colyer Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 10:05 PM)Magellan Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 10:01 PM)S Wrote: Quite honestly? I doubt that homosexual marriage will be a part of ARR anytime soon, if at all.

Does it bother me? Not really. 

There's always the arguments, "It's only a game, get over it". But if it were the other way around, would you be able to? If certain races were barred from marriage (be they hetero or homo), would it be getting the same easy-going responses? Doubtful.

Anyhow, unless there are certain bonuses you get from marriage, I say to Hells with it. We can create our own ceremonies and have a blast doing so.

Well said! People get so caught up in 'it's not a big deal' when... it is. For people who are LGBT, its kind of invalidating their gaming experience. What if Miqo's were restricted from marriage? What if only people who paid $5 extra per month could get married? What if only fair-skinned people could get married, or only Legacy players?

There would be a lot of flack about above scenarios, so how is this any different? People have the right to express themselves, their sexuality, and to ask SE to deliver a better, equal marriage system.

Honestly they said they are considering it, that is good enough for me. And even if they don't it won't invalidate my gaming experience. Honestly I'll probably less miffed than when Bioware decided no same sex relationships and that was because with the right appearance mod Corso was kinda cute. 

As far as any future RP goes, if I do end up RPing a same sex relationship and marriage comes up, I will treat it one of two ways - either what Yoshi is correct that lore-wise it is accepted and the fact I can't do the marriage "quest" as a game play mechanic or if the lore states it is not generally accepted then I will say the city-states do not dictate my relationship, how my partner and I feel do.

If I recall, there was an extremely gay intimate scene with a certain elf in Dragon Age (Bioware game).

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(08-09-2013, 11:47 PM)Colyer Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 11:32 PM)S Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 11:05 PM)Colyer Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 10:05 PM)Magellan Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 10:01 PM)S Wrote: blah blah marriage

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(08-09-2013, 05:00 PM)Felix Sideris Wrote: However, I think it is more important to release their game and get it stabilized and some income flowing in before they can direct full and proper attention to it.

It isn't like they are sitting there drinking beers, feet up on their desk talking about the weather. They are preparing a release of an MMO that pretty much crashed and burned because the last development team didn't listen to the player base telling them not to release the game because it wasn't ready.

(08-10-2013, 01:43 AM)Naunet Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 05:00 PM)Felix Sideris Wrote: However, I think it is more important to release their game and get it stabilized and some income flowing in before they can direct full and proper attention to it.

It isn't like they are sitting there drinking beers, feet up on their desk talking about the weather. They are preparing a release of an MMO that pretty much crashed and burned because the last development team didn't listen to the player base telling them not to release the game because it wasn't ready.

Are you honestly trying to claim that implementing a marriage system without gender restrictions would somehow take substantially more time than implementing a marriage system with restrictions? The logic, I see none of it here; all I see are excuses being made to white knight passive discrimination.

(08-10-2013, 01:59 AM)Reppu Wrote:

(08-10-2013, 01:43 AM)Naunet Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 05:00 PM)Felix Sideris Wrote: However, I think it is more important to release their game and get it stabilized and some income flowing in before they can direct full and proper attention to it.

It isn't like they are sitting there drinking beers, feet up on their desk talking about the weather. They are preparing a release of an MMO that pretty much crashed and burned because the last development team didn't listen to the player base telling them not to release the game because it wasn't ready.

Are you honestly trying to claim that implementing a marriage system without gender restrictions would somehow take substantially more time than implementing a marriage system with restrictions? The logic, I see none of it here; all I see are excuses being made to white knight passive discrimination.

While it is a poor excuse? This is the kind of toxic behavior, the name calling of calling someone discriminatory toward gay marriage, that poisons the pool, when there's no sign of this even being remotely the truth.

Do not take the 'hyper feminist' (when we all know humanists are the truly righteous, not feminists or 'masculinists') route of using powerful, unwarranted words against anyone who is not immediately following the absolute extreme of your argument.

(08-10-2013, 02:02 AM)Twinflame Wrote:

(08-10-2013, 01:59 AM)Reppu Wrote:

(08-10-2013, 01:43 AM)Naunet Wrote:

(08-09-2013, 05:00 PM)Felix Sideris Wrote: However, I think it is more important to release their game and get it stabilized and some income flowing in before they can direct full and proper attention to it.

It isn't like they are sitting there drinking beers, feet up on their desk talking about the weather. They are preparing a release of an MMO that pretty much crashed and burned because the last development team didn't listen to the player base telling them not to release the game because it wasn't ready.

Are you honestly trying to claim that implementing a marriage system without gender restrictions would somehow take substantially more time than implementing a marriage system with restrictions? The logic, I see none of it here; all I see are excuses being made to white knight passive discrimination.

While it is a poor excuse? This is the kind of toxic behavior, the name calling of calling someone discriminatory toward gay marriage, that poisons the pool, when there's no sign of this even being remotely the truth.

Do not take the 'hyper feminist' (when we all know humanists are the truly righteous, not feminists or 'masculinists') route of using powerful, unwarranted words against anyone who is not immediately following the absolute extreme of your argument.

Wow. Look at all the accusations Reppu just made against Naunet about her accusations about the other guy. Following your own advice epic fail much lol

Reppu also gets a star for using the word "feminist" as an insult. Good show, sir!

(08-10-2013, 02:17 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: The issue I see is that even here in the United States same sex marriage is still illegal in many areas, and in most of the other countries where this game is supported (UK, France, Germany, Japan) same-sex marriage is either illegal or considered widely unfavorable (looking at you France) by many of the voting population. Because of that, even if progressively it's seem like a good idea, it's still dangerous territory and while many people may hail a company for outward and open thinking (and many people will flame them for it), there are few people who will flame a company for playing it safe. Sure there will be people in the LGBT community who are upset by this, but there will be many more who just don't give two shakes about it and wouldn't probably use the mechanic even if it was available in the game.

Final Fantasy XIV already failed once, and because of that I think they are somewhat terrified of making any decisions that could in any way jeopardize the sales of their game. It's not discrimination, especially when, like I said, it's not even legal in most places this game is sold.

In either case I honestly think this thread should be locked or something, it's quickly approaching the danger zone.

(08-10-2013, 02:22 AM)Reppu Wrote:

(08-10-2013, 02:17 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: The issue I see is that even here in the United States same sex marriage is still illegal in many areas, and in most of the other countries where this game is supported (UK, France, Germany, Japan) same-sex marriage is either illegal or considered widely unfavorable (looking at you France) by many of the voting population. Because of that, even if progressively it's seem like a good idea, it's still dangerous territory and while many people may hail a company for outward and open thinking (and many people will flame them for it), there are few people who will flame a company for playing it safe. Sure there will be people in the LGBT community who are upset by this, but there will be many more who just don't give two shakes about it and wouldn't probably use the mechanic even if it was available in the game.

Final Fantasy XIV already failed once, and because of that I think they are somewhat terrified of making any decisions that could in any way jeopardize the sales of their game. It's not discrimination, especially when, like I said, it's not even legal in most places this game is sold.

In either case I honestly think this thread should be locked or something, it's quickly approaching the danger zone.

There's also the chance, a very realistic one, of the game being utterly banned in Russia if gay marriage were allowed. Which, is an extreme shame? Is something Square-Enix cannot ignore as a company.

And, I want to stress, I would -love- for gay marriage in FFXIV, to make many people happy. But I also understand that it's something that needs to be progressively implemented at a later date, when things are settled and risks are assessed.

I know it's difficult for many to accept, but we're living in a better time than most for this. And this is why you've been asked to have patience. The world is changing, but you can't expect to get anywhere by trying to force it to flip all at once.

(08-10-2013, 02:17 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: It's not discrimination, especially when, like I said, it's not even legal in most places this game is sold.