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Timeline confusion - Crow Bookkeep - 08-15-2013

At the beginning of FFXIV ARR is it going to be year 1572? I'm trying to write a character bio from childhood through to present and need the present year, thanks Tongue

RE: Timeline confusion - LandStander - 08-15-2013

Wheeeeeeee!!

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Guide:Loremonger/Timeline

Edit: In short, it is technically 1577, but since the fall of Dalamud has brought about a new era it is the year 5 of the seventh Umbral era. It always rotates from Umbral to Astral, Umbral being some kind of time of hardship and Astral being a sort of calm age.

RE: Timeline confusion - Crow Bookkeep - 08-15-2013

(08-15-2013, 06:55 PM)LandStander Wrote: Wheeeeeeee!!

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Guide:Loremonger/Timeline

Edit: In short, it is technically 1577, but since the fall of Dalamud has brought about a new era it is the year 5 of the seventh Umbral era. It always rotates from Umbral to Astral, Umbral being some kind of time of hardship and Astral being a sort of calm age.

I'm just confused because if the battle of carteneau happened in 1572 and the people who were fighting were teleported away and return 5 years later wouldn't that make it the year 1577? What am I missing? or was the whole 5 years thing misinformation that I've heard?

Edit: wrote this before you wrote edit... but I'm still confused should I label it as present year 1577 in my bio or year 1572?

RE: Timeline confusion - Aysun - 08-15-2013

(08-15-2013, 07:04 PM)Mike Ranger Wrote:
(08-15-2013, 06:55 PM)LandStander Wrote: Wheeeeeeee!!

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Guide:Loremonger/Timeline

Edit: In short, it is technically 1577, but since the fall of Dalamud has brought about a new era it is the year 5 of the seventh Umbral era. It always rotates from Umbral to Astral, Umbral being some kind of time of hardship and Astral being a sort of calm age.

I'm just confused because if the battle of carteneau happened in 1572 and the people who were fighting were teleported away and return 5 years later wouldn't that make it the year 1577? What am I missing? or was the whole 5 years thing misinformation that I've heard?

The Battle of Carteneau happened in 1572, you are correct. It was 1572 of the 6th Astral Era.

However, the Calamity that occurred during the battle is such that it caused a new era. It is now the 7th Umbral Era. When we start a new era in Eorzea due to such an event, the years start over at 1. So it is now, in ARR, year 5 of the 7th Umbral Era, not 1577.

RE: Timeline confusion - Merri - 08-15-2013

(08-15-2013, 06:55 PM)LandStander Wrote: Wheeeeeeee!!

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Guide:Loremonger/Timeline

Edit: In short, it is technically 1577, but since the fall of Dalamud has brought about a new era it is the year 5 of the seventh Umbral era. It always rotates from Umbral to Astral, Umbral being some kind of time of hardship and Astral being a sort of calm age.

In line with this post, our history page on the wiki also has this fleshed out, plus a bit extra. :>

You can find that here.

RE: Timeline confusion - Crow Bookkeep - 08-15-2013

(08-15-2013, 07:07 PM)Aysun Wrote:
(08-15-2013, 07:04 PM)Mike Ranger Wrote:
(08-15-2013, 06:55 PM)LandStander Wrote: Wheeeeeeee!!

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Guide:Loremonger/Timeline

Edit: In short, it is technically 1577, but since the fall of Dalamud has brought about a new era it is the year 5 of the seventh Umbral era. It always rotates from Umbral to Astral, Umbral being some kind of time of hardship and Astral being a sort of calm age.

I'm just confused because if the battle of carteneau happened in 1572 and the people who were fighting were teleported away and return 5 years later wouldn't that make it the year 1577? What am I missing? or was the whole 5 years thing misinformation that I've heard?

The Battle of Carteneau happened in 1572, you are correct. It was 1572 of the 6th Astral Era.

However, the Calamity that occurred during the battle is such that it caused a new era. It is now the 7th Umbral Era. When we start a new era in Eorzea due to such an event, the years start over at 1. So it is now, in ARR, year 5 of the 7th Umbral Era, not 1577.

Oh okay so the 6th astral era lasted 1572 years? Sorry I'm a bit new to the lore but that cleared up a lot, thanks.

RE: Timeline confusion - LandStander - 08-15-2013

You are absolutely correct. "Technically" it is 1577, but they divide their era's up. It's kind of like the Mayan calender. Once the calender comes to end it just resets and starts all over again. So it really is year 5 as its just a resetting of the calender which signifies the beginning of a new era. I actually edited my post and you may have not had the chance to check out the explanation ^^.

Edit: Thanks for the history chart Merri. That one is much better...And...WHAT?!?! Shatotto! Sounds an awful like this really amazing character I used to know :3

RE: Timeline confusion - Crow Bookkeep - 08-15-2013

Alright, thanks everyone, helped clear up all my confusion Laugh

RE: Timeline confusion - Fiona Swift - 08-15-2013

Thanks as well, even I had it wrong for my Wiki; thinking it was 1577. I get the whole 5th and 6th etc Era's now. Makes sense though.

While it is 1577 it could be determined as something like 1577 of the Umbral eras or 5th year of the 7th Umbral era

RE: Timeline confusion - Sounsyy - 08-15-2013

It's not really 1577 at all. The calender resets at the beginning of every Era change over. So it is the 5th Year of the Seventh Umbral Era. 

So if you're choosing to ignore this change over, you'd technically have to count in all of the eras before. So it's probably closer to the year 7000+. Eorzea has been around for a really long time. The Allagan Empire existed over 5000 years ago for instance. 

The change over starts from the moment we have a history altering moment in history. The change over from the Sixth Umbral Era to the Sixth Astral Era for instance was marked by the formation of the original Grand Companies. These Companies rose to help the Archons in their fight against the Ascians. The defeat of the Ascians marked the end of the Umbral and the change over to Astral. That happened 1572 years ago.

Bahamut destroying the known world marks the change over from Astral to Umbral. Which happened 5 years ago. This is where the 5 is coming from, and why we can't use 1577 now. It'd be just like saying it was the year 5000 because the Allagan Empire fell 5000 years ago. Doesn't really make sense right?

RE: Timeline confusion - Darkfae - 08-19-2013

I love and hate complex time measurements.


As an attempt to help, here's an example of finding your birth year for a character. Just an actual walk through of the concepts discussed.


Let's say a character is currently 21 years of age, was born on the 5th Sun of the 5th Astral Moon, and they did not get time-skipped (time skipped characters get the fun of losing 5 years, but still having their original birth year!).


First, subtract 5 years for the current era. That leave 16 years.


Then, subtract 16 from 1572. The result is 1556.


This character's birth date would be the 5th Sun of the 5th Astral Moon , 1556.