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I made a mistake - Wheatie - 08-20-2014
Hello! Figured I'd post in this forum because I lurked it pretty hard and you guys seem to know what's up in FFXIV RP. I'm not new to RP, but I'm quite new to the FFXIV RP scene (I bought the game perhaps 4 days ago).
So, I didn't check naming conventions, and I took a randomly generated name I liked, that I had gotten for a Seeker of the Sun on another server and put it on my Seeker Lancer on Balmung.
Unfortunately, his last name is Nunh, and this morning I discovered what that means--basically, that he is one of the breeding stock for a Mi'qote tribe. While I have an idea for how to play it off (he defeated a nunh for reasons other than taking his place and had no desire to take the position of nunh, and as such fled, and I would almost never mention that IC--but I digress) there is another problem that's arisen: twice now, people have seen his last name and made judgments of him based on that last name. I don't really want to reroll just because of a last name, but I was wondering if these snap judgments will be common, and if in your experience they will translate into IC reactions. I would hate to have my ability to do walk-up RP hampered by a mistake I made at character creation. Sorry if perhaps this seems like too specific of a situation, but I was hoping for input from people with more experience RPing in the game.
RE: I made a mistake - Faye - 08-20-2014
People will always make judgments IC (which is fine, such is life, and RP should emulate life), and some people will use metagaming knowledge to make judgments IC. The latter isn't quite as acceptable, but it's unavoidable and you shouldn't let it get to you. And others, well... others simply misinterpret the lore and have their characters react based on that incorrect lore. Some people seem to think that Nunhs are just sex fiends (and sadly a lot of people play Nunhs in a manner that reinforces that idea) when in actuality Seekers would generally see it as more of a honored duty and a display of their status as the strongest male in the tribe.
Imo, don't let any of it get to you know. But if you want to change your character's name, there are ways. Pricey ways, but, uhh... ways. You are also able to have your character go by a different name IC and ignore all the Nunh stuff together. There's no rule saying your character's name must match the name floating over his head.
 Some may still call him a Nunh or ICly magically assume he's a Nunh, but I suppose that'll just help you pick out the metagamers so you can ignore them in the future.
RE: I made a mistake - Val - 08-20-2014
Some people tend to think Nunhs are just manwhores and there are those that RP them as such. That being said, no one should make snap judgments based on a floating name above your head--especially if it's lore related. If people are going to judge you before they meet you based on that, then they're likely doing you a favor anyway by letting you know to steer clear of them =)
As far as your reason for him being a Nunh goes, that sounds fine. You don't even have to say he won--just said that he left his tribe and is on his own. By default, that would make him a Nunh much like my character is.
IC, of course, people are going to react. Miqo'te society isn't exactly the norm to many people's characters and people will view it as strange and different and out there. But that only helps for character development and shouldn't really be looked at as a necessarily bad thing unless that's just not what you're going for. At that point, you could just keep the name and go by something else entirely IC.
RE: I made a mistake - No Longer Exists - 08-20-2014
Hullo!
Before I go any further in repeating what's already been said, let me say this.
You were not and are not wrong. There's nothing inherently bad about choosing a randomly generated name and you did your research to try to understand what the name meant, that's a lot more than some players do.Â
So please don't feel like you've been punished for your choice, that's a path of though that never feels good. I'd also like to applaud you for coming to the forum to talk about it. Great choice!
As to the content of your question, the best answer is the one you've already been given. Faye and Val are absolutely right. So make like a wiseguy and fuhgeddaboutit.
 Welcome to the game, welcome to the RPC and most importantly, have a great time playing!
RE: I made a mistake - LiveVoltage - 08-20-2014
Well I dont know what else to offer aside from whats listed, but before doing random walk-up RP, you should talk it out with the person you want to RP with OOCly and establish who youre character is before starting. Another big golden rule that some people forget, communication because being responsive and communicative in general goes a long way to solving OOC issues and preventing IC ones from developing into OOC ones.
RE: I made a mistake - FreelanceWizard - 08-20-2014
Any character that's tied into tribal miqo'te culture is going to get reactions from characters who have a opinion on it, naturally. Most miqo'te are going to have some opinion on their culture, whether positive or negative. For instance, introducing yourself as nunh is going to provoke some very negative reactions from my character; she has rather significant problems with her race's culture.
That said, until you introduce yourself IC, how would they know what your name is IC? That's metagaming, and a person who metagames isn't someone you want to RP with anyway.
EDIT: Also, as others noted, you can always just RP that you have a different surname or none at all. Since your character left his culture, he may not want to call himself nunh; he may have adopted another surname instead.
RE: I made a mistake - C'kayah Polaali - 08-20-2014
Exactly. It's an unfortunate thing about FF that we're not allowed to change our character names, because a lot of people seem to take the name floating above our heads as The One True Namecanon. Don't be afraid to take a different name, and perhaps come up with a fun explanation for it. C'kayah's maternal grandmother was a Moonkeeper, so he sometimes takes her surname when he introduces himself.
That said, the suffix Nunh does have all sorts of connotations, and you can have fun playing with them. C'kayah, for instance, is acidly nasty towards anyone taking that title who's out adventuring ("You're a Nunh? Where are your females? Back in the tribe? Who's watching out for them? The Tias? Mmmm... Interesting. And you think they're still yours?"), which provides an interesting hook for whatever you want to respond ("Um... no... I've lost them..." or "They've come with me" or "That sounds like a challenge, I accept!" or whatever you want to play it as).
RE: I made a mistake - Aya - 08-20-2014
Oooooh! Don't be so swift to try and toss away a wonderful source of IC tension and misunderstanding. If you can look aside that OOCly, and realize that its not you the player people are reacting to, it can make for all sorts of interesting role-play. Just imagine how those sort of reactions have shaped the life and attitude of your character?
RE: I made a mistake - Zoetrooper - 08-20-2014
*chuckles*
I have a Nunh character as well. I really don't find your issue that surprising as people are generally mean to my character during their initial conversation. Player knowledge dictating attitude/reaction without even ICly knowing my characters name is difficult to combat. As such I haven't actually been able to make much headway with this character, but that may also be due to the fact that I play my Elezen 99% of the time.
RE: I made a mistake - allgivenover - 08-20-2014
It's already been said, but you don't want to RP with people who meta and react to your nameplate anyway. Think of it as a bad roleplayer filter.
Unfortunately you are going to be judged by otherwise decent RPers for it as it's extremely popular to hate on seeker tribal traditions OOC or have a "progressive" female miqo'te that hates/rejects her own traditions (not to imply that having that character is wrong but it is actually far more common to find in RP than the alleged epidemic of bad nunh roleplayers).
Unless you really want to use the Nunh aspect for your RP (lol good luck with that) I would change, as the OOC delicate western sensibilities regarding this part of the lore are going to be a real hurdle.
RE: I made a mistake - Jancis - 08-20-2014
I agree it sounds like a happy accident. (Eternal Love Bob Ross)
Role play thrives on conflict and a little one like the annoyance of people making an assumption in-character is always a good way to get the ball rolling. It becomes something to tease the character about, interact with them, draw people to them, or even create rivalries.
I think mistakes bring out great flaws to use in characters so go with it.
RE: I made a mistake - Wheatie - 08-20-2014
Thanks everyone for your advice. I think that for at least the next while I will try to roll with the last name choice and persevere with the character, likely using my original idea of how to explain it, and how to realistically pull it off (basically never mention it IC unless to a close friend). I'll try not to let it get to me. Thanks again, everyone, and hopefully I'll see you around.
RE: I made a mistake - Coatleque - 08-20-2014
(08-20-2014, 05:45 AM)Wheatie Wrote: I would hate to have my ability to do walk-up RP hampered by a { choice } I made at character creation.
*ahem*
Let me introduce you to a little Miqo'te named Natalie.
*ducks* *hides*
In all seriousness though, character names are the easiest things to work around in RP. You can always think up some kind of a lore-friendly way to explain it. And as far as conflict goes? Every time Coatleque is forced to say "Ser Mcbeef" in public, her blood pressure goes up. It's fun.
RE: I made a mistake - Berrod Armstrong - 08-20-2014
(08-20-2014, 01:32 PM)Coatleque Wrote:(08-20-2014, 05:45 AM)Wheatie Wrote: I would hate to have my ability to do walk-up RP hampered by a { choice } I made at character creation.
*ahem*
Let me introduce you to a little Miqo'te named Natalie.
*ducks* *hides*
In all seriousness though, character names are the easiest things to work around in RP. Â You can always think up some kind of a lore-friendly way to explain it. Â And as far as conflict goes? Â Every time Coatleque is forced to say "Ser Mcbeef" in public, her blood pressure goes up. Â It's fun.
Seriously though. Natalie is the best example of taking something you did at character creation and RUNNING with it. Whenever I need a success story in that department I always draw reference to her.
and smack the shit out anyone who smack-talks her but that's not what we're getting at here
RE: I made a mistake - Kage - 08-20-2014
My once-lalafell-now-miqo'te's name is Kage Kiryuu.
I decided ~2 months into playing the game that I wanted to try RPing.
Most people have never given me any type of flack for it but I have gotten some OOC comments in edited-trolling-wikis about it being a weaboo name.
*shrugs* I can't help what I am I guess.
Most people go with the "my parents were eccentric" / "raised by other types of cultures" ideas. None of that is wrong.
My interpretation of the lore has always been that the Nunh was really just the breeding stock. They just want his genes passed on because he is stronk/-insert other adjective here-. Whether or not they are the leader or big dictator like people seem to view the head of house in polygamous controversial cultures *cough* is up to those involved.
Kage once got shit because he ended up taking over a small urban city tribe of his loved ones -as a lalafell- to keep people from separating without fully knowing what the term "nunh" really involved. Someone actually said that he should cut him down for it when he was -given- the title by a Miqo'te I won't name. As a miqo'te now, Kage fully knows what it means and it slightly scares the bejeezus out of him whenever he's called that, afraid of the possible implications it might have on his relationships with the people he loves.
What I'm getting at is... you could totally just run with it. Maybe you can have your own tribe RP! Or you can move away from that and make it one of many plots for you character.