(09-22-2014, 06:38 PM)Naunet Wrote:

(09-22-2014, 03:39 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: Everything will eventually come up as time passes by, the housing prices will go down and there will be plenty of plots available in the future.

What is your definition of plenty? Because it seems to me to be very odd. Consider that Balmung has 30,000 (roughly) players. Then consider how many houses we have, even after the wards are doubled.

(09-22-2014, 06:56 PM)J Wrote: Not everybody in this thread is new to MMO's. Many of us have invested in other MMO's over the years and know exactly what sort of tricks and issues that developers can resort to and cause. I also feel the need to point out that just because somebody feels strongly about the housing situation it is not an excuse to tell them to shut up or leave the game. If the game didn't have redeeming qualities then most of us wouldn't be here in the first place, though at the same time there is nothing preventing people from raising their concerns in a constructive manner. 

Will some people simply come into this thread with the purpose of venting? That's likely too - but that, again, is no reason for the usual suspects to resort to personal attacks just because the game they fawn over isn't praised as being the best thing since sliced bread at every possible opportunity.

(09-22-2014, 06:26 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: *sighs* I really really don't like it when someone is actually making this into personal and start insulting others to a point that this thread will be closed ... AGAIN. (at least 6 threads regarding housing has been closed due to your constant attacks and complaints)

Quote:I don't know what your problem is. Really. I am so fed up with you trying to insult me from the first housing discussions when I clearly said it is fair for FC to gain their house over personal house because all MMO games require guilds to be priority over single player because that is how you make a community and enjoy games with friends.

Quote:The game has not lied to me. The interface, combat system, and beginner friendly system has been ALL implemented to 2.0 as Yoshida promised. New class has been promised. It's not Musketeer, but Ninja is cool too. New dungeons always come up every new patch when some new patches in other MMORPG don't give you new dungeons until the NEW expansion. There's not even new story really or events that happen every month or seasonally. The housing appeared with ridiculous prices and personal rooms in the FC house appeared. It wasn't a lie, they all came out as promised. This patch released personal housing as promised. Just not enough for people to buy the plots.

Quote:There will be lies, but I've not seen Yoshi-P and FF14 devs actually lie as much as other gaming dev team did. They have done their best to this point to keep their fans be satisfied. All I said was "wait and hope that it'll change", and all I've also said was "he isn't completely wrong and he's trying his best". But instead, I get an insult and uncivilized talk toward me. Really?

Quote:You are a veteran player of FF14 and RPC, and you should be at least have the ideal of being friendly and tell members to calm down and be patient - but instead you make weird assumptions that the prices were going to be down, and you are slamming down on people who are trying to tell others to just be patient?

Quote:"people like you" is very far stretched, and the game isn't going bad. These are the main reasons I wanted to play FF14 before this housing idea came up:

1. I liked FF14 concepts and lores and the graphics. I played 1.0 but the reason I quit was I really hated losing XP and LVL like FF11 and it felt too similar to me and the limit on amount of hours I can play to gain lvl seemed silly.
   
2. I like the combat system, dungeons, FATE, and the raids that they have given to me. It's challenging, and yet fun. (I havent done dungeons in a while because of RP, but yes - that is the MAIN reason I do like this game.)
   
3. Class systems are very open than any other games. I like it. End of story.
   
4. Roleplaying with people were the main reason I like the game. Like whole events kept me enjoying all the time. 
   

Housing was my least concern because I knew myself that I had to earn money for myself since no one in my FC besides my friends in Gilgamesh wanted to save. We all ripped people off by selling philo items for 50-60k everyday doing endless dungeons to farm for the stones and then we gathered enough, and when they quit they gave me all of their Gils and I went to Balmung (They only quit because they wanted to play other games. I dont know when they will return). but as for myself, I did the same thing in Balmung selling it for ridiculously expensive and still earned a lot and then joined in Titan HM teams to earn gils that way. Then I started selling more items and did hunts as Ellaria. 

Aside from the point, I avoided a lot of RP during those times and did endless farmings and I got here now. That's not the reason I came here to talk in the thread. I came to this thread that it's not the end for them to close the book and conclude that they won't listen or lie to us. Who knows if they lie or not? They haven't really shown 2.4 yet, so why judge now?

Quote:But seriously, please do not include me as "people like you", because I surely don't want this game to go bad but I don't want to expect that housing is the only reason I play this game because I feel like I paid 79.99 and ($15.00) per month for nothing. I find myself something else to do everyday at FF14, and that is making new friends and I am very satisfied where I am.

Quote:All these complaints are nothing but negative energy and it's dragging everyone down. So I suggest that at least have yourself one more chance to have a faith than keep saying "He's gonna lie" "It's never gonna happen".

(09-22-2014, 07:05 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:  And while I have noted several personal attacks on me, I figure people are free to say stupid things all day long if they want.  Doesn't mean I have the right to tell them to shut up.  So to be clear: I've told no one to shut up.  It would be nice if you'd stop telling me - and others who agree with me - to shut up because you don't like what we're saying.

Quote:I'm going to gently suggest that if you don't want to read complaints about something, going to a thread where people are putting those complaints together is probably not the wisest course of action.  No one here is making you read this thread, but it would be nice if you could have the kindness to allow people who are upset to talk about being upset.  No one is trying to hurt you.  You don't have to come in here and defend SE.  But it's a bit misguided for you to tell upset people to stop talking about their upset in a thread basically dedicated to talking about the situation.  I'm not quite following the logic myself.

(09-22-2014, 06:58 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: It can be plenty or not plenty. There could be 3 wards or 8 or 16 for 2.4, or more wards in the future.

(09-22-2014, 08:18 PM)J Wrote: It's also worth noting that Wildstar tried to market a large portion of appealing content as 'hardcore' and 'exclusive' and it backfired massively to the extent that the developers have been forced to reconsider the core design of the game itself.

Live Letter Wrote:Q: When will individual housing be implemented?
A: It will be around half a year after patch 2.1's release. Currently, we are split between implementing a personal room within a free company house or personal housing. Since the decision will have a huge impact on how many additional servers we'll need to prepare, we have to carefully consider the balance of the housing system. We believe it will take roughly six months to have everything planned out and prepared.

(09-22-2014, 08:33 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: A lie by ommision is still a lie. If they didn't update their stance in the 9 months that they said it, it's a lie. I find it weird people are going "Well it was 9 months ago when they said that." and  not, "Why didn't they update their position in the 9 months they had?"

It's weirdly shady. Doesn't sit right with me.

And YES, saying "Wait and see" is a very polite form of saying "shut up" btw.

Quote:People have been asking if we put the FC housing and private housing in the same place. To explain, we didn’t want FC housing to be completely replaced with private housing. We thought if we introduced totally separate (uninstanced) private housing, we would end up with people totally abandoning the FC houses and never interacting with one another.

(09-22-2014, 09:08 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: I will say, after what he said right up here - I respect him a lot. Honestly, this was my biggest fear for everything where  people will just never  bother to join FC at all or contribute of  helping each other out to build a FC house or airship (in the future).

I honestly think it was a sudden change to their agenda, where Yoshida WAS indeed planning for a personal housing only area, and he probably thought "Oh wait, then no one else will ever visit FC houses anymore."

But evidently, it's not a complete loss where he said "We decided to drop the personal housing thing". It was really more of "We installed it together instead." - and the biggest disappointment to the community was "not enough wards and plots for players to buy it" - Which is TRUE because  you know, Balmung is just one of those ridiculously populated server that will gain more players and have lesser plots. I won't deny that. 

Was it a good decision for him to do this? 50/50 for me. Because while I agree with his statements, I do feel unfortunate for other players who couldn't get the personal plot (including myself to buy a small one)  it just happens that I have to look at their views  too.