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RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Sylastair - 01-15-2016
(01-15-2016, 01:46 PM)Kage Wrote: Obviously I was not there to read the exact dialogue, but was it rude because he didn't ask you and instead told you? Did he call you names? Is it because he didn't teach you how to position while criticizing?
I'm also not understanding how he left to spite you? It sounds more like he left to not get overtly upset at someone and chose instead to leave.
It wasn't the most awesome wonderful help but I am not seeing the spite and I can explain the lack of please as being curt. From what I see the player didn't send you tells about hating you or calling you names so I am trying to see why this is so awful.
No I mean that was the only message sent, then they left. As I said, I guess I am glad they left versus going on a tirade/starting a fight. The part that bothered me I guess is that I am new at tanking, we are in a low level dungeon, and I felt like we were doing pretty well. I am more then aware that I am not the best tank, but even if that was the only issue plaguing us why not just say "Hey, can you try this vs. what you are doing."Â
It didn't bother me because they were mean or being vindictive, it bothered me that in a leveling dungeon with a new tank while things are going right 90%, there is so little patience and regard for someone else they will send one curt message, then just leave. I've had my share bad/new tanks or healers, and while I can totally understand that frustration, responding like that over something so trivial just seems ridiculous. People are entitled to react however they want, but expecting complete perfection in a leveling dungeon and not addressing the problem (if there is one) early on is a level of elitism I guess I've not seen yet.
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Ashe - 01-15-2016
Man, yesterday was awful
First expert roulette...
Tank pulls, we clear the trash fine, tank randomly leaves...healer leaves...
Leave that group.
Second try:
Tank pulls, we clear the trash fine, tank randomly leaves...healer leaves...
....
Had to end up tanking my expert roulette even though I am a shit tank...
Black mage in that party just...ugh.Â
Definition of THE WORST.
=~~~~=
Apparently my FC mate ended up in her expert roulette with a Tank who had a level 1 ring on?
Just...if you're gonna queue...queue with the intention of doing the dungeon you get in to...
Unless your house is on fire or there's an earthquake or something...
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Tara - 01-20-2016
Hello! Tanks of Tam-Tara Deepcroft! I understand that it is a spooky place...but no need to lose all your brain cells when you get it! Sheesh.Â
Dear level 19+ Tank in level 10 gear (Yes. You read that right). WHY? Just....why? You make my brain hurt.
Â
In addition, it didn't seem like you had Shield Lob. Now, I'm no super tank like some people, but even I know to keep my gear up to date and do my class quests! Running into walls I can handle, I do it all the time, miss a doorway and all that. Attacking the one I clearly marked [4] is another ball of twine entirely. I marked them in an order for a reason. (I was honestly just doing everything in my power to make sure it went smoothly.) Add to this that you were wearing a level 10 sword and shield...
 and you were...kinda basically useless.Ninja and Scholar were awesome though...
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Warren Castille - 01-21-2016
(01-15-2016, 02:02 PM)Flynt Knoltros Wrote: No I mean that was the only message sent, then they left. As I said, I guess I am glad they left versus going on a tirade/starting a fight. The part that bothered me I guess is that I am new at tanking, we are in a low level dungeon, and I felt like we were doing pretty well. I am more then aware that I am not the best tank, but even if that was the only issue plaguing us why not just say "Hey, can you try this vs. what you are doing."Â
It didn't bother me because they were mean or being vindictive, it bothered me that in a leveling dungeon with a new tank while things are going right 90%, there is so little patience and regard for someone else they will send one curt message, then just leave. I've had my share bad/new tanks or healers, and while I can totally understand that frustration, responding like that over something so trivial just seems ridiculous. People are entitled to react however they want, but expecting complete perfection in a leveling dungeon and not addressing the problem (if there is one) early on is a level of elitism I guess I've not seen yet.
Scrubby behavior is scrubby indeed. It's one thing to suggest improvements, but it's another to demand one and then quit before there's any room to see it actually followed through on.
That said, it drives me completely insane when directional DPS complain about tanks moving out of AoE, when the obvious answer is to fight the things doing the AoE, because they don't move when charging or casting and you don't miss your directionals..
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Unnamed Mercenary - 01-21-2016
(01-20-2016, 11:58 PM)Nevahe Wrote: Hello! Tanks of Tam-Tara Deepcroft! I understand that it is a spooky place...but no need to lose all your brain cells when you get it! Sheesh.Â
Dear level 19+ Tank in level 10 gear (Yes. You read that right). WHY? Just....why? You make my brain hurt.
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In addition, it didn't seem like you had Shield Lob. Now, I'm no super tank like some people, but even I know to keep my gear up to date and do my class quests! Running into walls I can handle, I do it all the time, miss a doorway and all that. Attacking the one I clearly marked [4] is another ball of twine entirely. I marked them in an order for a reason. (I was honestly just doing everything in my power to make sure it went smoothly.) Add to this that you were wearing a level 10 sword and shield...
Ninja and Scholar were awesome though...
Did you get a "new player" bonus from it? I've had some pretty awful experiences in the first set of dungeons. It's generally full of people who've never played the game before, have no idea that their gear should be kind of around the level of the dungeon, and that tank, healer and DPS are roles and they should follow theirs. If I see a new player message, and I'm tanking, I'll usually notify the party that I'll be marking mobs and to follow a kill order. Sometimes offer advice if I see that the little THM thinks he can be an ice mage, or tell the ARC that spamming all his skills on a single enemy I'm tanking means it's his now. It also means I usually also have to remind the CNJ that they're a healer, and that while yes, I love that they're spamming Stone on things, they also need to keep the party alive as their priority. ...some people get this. Others have no idea. Sometimes, they'll get sassy, but other times, I get some thankyous. Or I'll let them know where they can find some newer gear to make all our lives easier. A little nudge can go far.
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Swashbuckler - 01-21-2016
Trial Roulette -- Titan HM. No Poetics bonus.
Tank 1 was a PLD, had i55 Sword and Shield. (The one you get with GC seals.) Had an assortment of gear from i110 to about i125.
Tank 2 was a DRK, had i60 greatsword that drops from Ifrit HM. Highest gear at i120 (Ironworks), with an assortment of i110 (soldiery gear) and i90 (myth gear)
DPS was MNK, NIN, BLM, and BRD. Most were at least lv 59, some were at 60 with gear and weapons appropriate to their level. One was lv 53 or 54. (Can't remember which.)
Healer was a WHM and myself, an AST. We were both 60 and had gear that was at least i170. WHM had the i200 cane from Esoterics, and I had the i180 upgraded Law weapon.
The tanks could not hold aggro even if the PLD who was MT'ing was doing his rotations properly. Every other second, someone else was taking off aggro. The WHM did Medica II before every jump, and after every jump. I told them to stop doing that, and they did. Still, us healers and the DPS were taking aggro off the tanks. We wiped twice.
I could not understand why any of this was happening until I checked everyone's gear. I explained to the party that the tanks needed higher gear/weapons to hold hate, then the lv 53/54 DPS told me we were sync'd. Which we were, duh. I further explained that lv 50 can get gear and weapons up to i130-135 so I advised the tanks to get better gear before coming back in Titan HM. After that, everyone started leaving.
Half an hour of my life I'll never get back.
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Valence - 01-21-2016
Obviously a flaw of the game to my eyes... Can't blame the tanks here, they had the required ilvl to get in, but people were just overgeared and well...
Honestly, if you start telling people they can't play content because some folks are overgeared...
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Tara - 01-21-2016
(01-21-2016, 01:13 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:I did in fact try this because I do try to be a nice person :p.(01-20-2016, 11:58 PM)Nevahe Wrote: Hello! Tanks of Tam-Tara Deepcroft! I understand that it is a spooky place...but no need to lose all your brain cells when you get it! Sheesh.Â
Dear level 19+ Tank in level 10 gear (Yes. You read that right). WHY? Just....why? You make my brain hurt.
Â
In addition, it didn't seem like you had Shield Lob. Now, I'm no super tank like some people, but even I know to keep my gear up to date and do my class quests! Running into walls I can handle, I do it all the time, miss a doorway and all that. Attacking the one I clearly marked [4] is another ball of twine entirely. I marked them in an order for a reason. (I was honestly just doing everything in my power to make sure it went smoothly.) Add to this that you were wearing a level 10 sword and shield...
Ninja and Scholar were awesome though...
Did you get a "new player" bonus from it? I've had some pretty awful experiences in the first set of dungeons. It's generally full of people who've never played the game before, have no idea that their gear should be kind of around the level of the dungeon, and that tank, healer and DPS are roles and they should follow theirs. If I see a new player message, and I'm tanking, I'll usually notify the party that I'll be marking mobs and to follow a kill order. Sometimes offer advice if I see that the little THM thinks he can be an ice mage, or tell the ARC that spamming all his skills on a single enemy I'm tanking means it's his now. It also means I usually also have to remind the CNJ that they're a healer, and that while yes, I love that they're spamming Stone on things, they also need to keep the party alive as their priority. ...some people get this. Others have no idea. Sometimes, they'll get sassy, but other times, I get some thankyous. Or I'll let them know where they can find some newer gear to make all our lives easier. A little nudge can go far.
I got no answer, the Scholar got no answer, and then we tried the auto translate function just in case. Still no answer.Â
I honestly apologize if my rant came off as ribbing on new people, it wasn't my intention at all! We tried all methods of communication that we could think of and the tank never answered. Yes, it was a new player, but had been playing long enough for their sprout to have worn off. Again, I'm sorry if this came off as elite-y or anything *winces*.
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Kellach Woods - 01-21-2016
(01-21-2016, 03:49 PM)Valence Wrote: Obviously a flaw of the game to my eyes... Can't blame the tanks here, they had the required ilvl to get in, but people were just overgeared and well...
Honestly, if you start telling people they can't play content because some folks are overgeared...
Any game with iLevel requirements will inevitably turn into that.
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Mikage - 01-23-2016
Just a little personal vent. Directed at myself.
Dear Sahi.
For the love of the Twelve, how can you NOT have Swiftcast when you play as a WHM?! It is only now, at level 51, I realize that I'm lacking a vital spell in my arsenal on this character and I'm just left asking myself how in the WORLD I have managed to get to that level without needing Swiftcast!Â
I am utterly baffled and more than a little disappointed in myself. And my fellow healers will probably either laugh at or weep for my failure.
My poor excuse is not having played this character since around patch 2.2-2.4, judging by the few pieces of old iLevel 90 gear I have. I picked up a new character around the time Heavensward came out and only returned to my poor Miqo'te boy a short while back.
I have grown and I have learned. I promise. And I will be off to level my thaumaturge class to level 26 as to no longer be a disgrace to the WHM class.Â
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Valence - 01-24-2016
Venting at myself for macroing my raise spell, and noticing once in time of need that it was borked. The embarassment.
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Roe Dad - 01-24-2016
Once ran a Caestrum with all broken gear and the wrong weapon. derp go go 200 heals
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - Cato - 01-25-2016
After waiting almost half an hour to get into a low level dungeon for my roulette as a MCH I had the displeasure of immediately seeing the tank take his leave because he 'didn't like the dungeon'. I find that sort of attitude horrible since it screws over three other players  - two of which are DPS and will no doubt be stuck waiting around for a new tank to arrive...or they'll just have to leave themselves and queue again.
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - GhostlyMaiden - 02-04-2016
Going into Void Ark, we had DRK as our tank.
Once we got to the 2nd boss, out BRD realized he didn't have Grit up.
The chat went something like this;
"Dude, you don't have Grit up."
"lol I know. : D"
........Okay. So you would think "oh he'll put it up". No. He never did. I don't know much about tanking, but what I do know is that DRK use grit, and they need it. It wouldn't have been a big deal if he wasn't trying to be THE main tank of the entire raid.
When the boss splits into three, he had her pulled to the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROOM. He also never bothered to stun so our DPS was slow. We didn't kill her in time.
To say the least, we wiped.
RE: The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales - FreelanceWizard - 02-04-2016
Void Ark.
Once again, the Human Condition is the most challenging mechanic of all.