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Ashren Dotharl · **01-22-2015, 02:10 PM**

(01-22-2015, 02:02 PM)Kamome Wrote: Oh, had another thought re: the Doman language.

Maybe the language really has phased out/become archaic judging by the NPC surnames we see in the Ninja quest: Moonrise, Sunrise, Redbeak, etc. I feel the fact that Domans seem to have surnames in line with the language of the rest of Hydaelyn shows at least some distance from the Doman native language, even though all of their forenames are Doman (at least from what I have seen).

Are there any NPC examples of Domans with actual Doman or Japanese surnames?

This may not merely be a depature from Doman language, and just simply how the Doman naming conventions have always been. While Doma is quite obviously based on Japan, it is not actually Japan so they are free to deviate from actual Japanese historical or cultural things such as naming.

Warren Castille · **01-22-2015, 02:13 PM**

There are some fairly Japanese-sounding names in the 2.2 content: You run into Yozan, Houzan, Houmei, not to mention Yugiri herself.

I learned this by digging through XIVDB's quest dialogue, looking for the line where Yugiri specifically states why she keeps covered up.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-22-2015, 02:16 PM**

(01-22-2015, 02:13 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: There are some fairly Japanese-sounding names in the 2.2 content: You run into Yozan, Houzan, Houmei, not to mention Yugiri herself.

I learned this by digging through XIVDB's quest dialogue, looking for the line where Yugiri specifically states why she keeps covered up.

I think he might have meant last name, not surname. Like Yugiri Mistwalker, Oboro Moonrise, Karasu Redbeak.

Warren Castille · **01-22-2015, 02:17 PM**

...Look, everyone knows I can't read.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-22-2015, 02:21 PM**

(01-22-2015, 02:17 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: ...Look, everyone knows I can't read.

Nah you read it fine, I had to make sure of it myself. He said surname, but I think what he meant to say was last name. Tongue

From what I can see the naming conventions for Doman characters seems to be a Japanese style surname, and then a sort of honorific type last name, like the examples listed above. These my be something more like a title than an actual last name, such as calling Tsubame and Oboro the Sun and Moon to one another.

Sounsyy · **01-22-2015, 02:35 PM**

(01-22-2015, 02:02 PM)Kamome Wrote: Are there any NPC examples of Domans with actual Doman or Japanese surnames?

I can't think of any off-hand, no. The Doman/Othardian naming conventions seem to be Japanese-sounding forename, adjective/noun combined surname.

Karasu Redbeak
Yamimi Farwalker
Oboro Moonrise

Ashren Dotharl · **01-22-2015, 02:43 PM**

Ugh, please excuse my stupidity. Kamome was right about the non-asian surnameÂ I was just confusing the word for given name. So yes, Doman appear to have a Japanese-style forename and some type of title as their surname.

Warren Castille · **01-22-2015, 02:48 PM**

Found it.

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It's not as overt as I recalled, but she's clearly referring to her appearance being problematic. It's got nothing to do with her garb itself (and we see what Ninja usually wear when we do the Ninja quests).

Ashren Dotharl · **01-22-2015, 03:07 PM**

(01-22-2015, 02:48 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Found it.

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Spoiler

It's not as overt as I recalled, but she's clearly referring to her appearance being problematic. It's got nothing to do with her garb itself (and we see what Ninja usually wear when we do the Ninja quests).

The video is almost 2 hours long, do you remember where in it she talks about the way she dresses?

Warren Castille · **01-22-2015, 03:11 PM**

Balls, thought it captured the minute:second. Editiiiiiing.

Edited. If that still doesn't work, right at the 25 minute mark should work.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-22-2015, 03:13 PM**

(01-22-2015, 03:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Balls, thought it captured the minute:second. Editiiiiiing.

Edited. If that still doesn't work, right at the 25 minute mark should work.

Yeah I found it after a bit of skipping, so yeah she really doesn't say it has anything to do with her being a Ninja or her race. She just basically says people are afraid of what is unfamiliar so she hid her appearance to not cause any disturbances.

Edit: To quote it exactly for those who can't view youtube atm.

Alphinaud: Lady Yugiri, forgive me for observing, but... your choice of attire seems like to evoke feelings of mistrust.

Yugiri:Â Men are wont to fear the unfamiliar. We know this from experience. We seek only to spare the people of Ul'dah unnecessary disquiet.

Alphinaud:Â I shall defer to your experience then.

Yugiri:Â I thank you for your understanding.

Kamome · **01-22-2015, 03:27 PM**

*lore clarity glowwwww*

Thanks for entertaining all the questions! Especially re: the names. And yes, surname = last name. ; )

Can't wait for the expansion lore bombs. Hopefully if all the new Far Eastern crafting items are any indication we will get some more Doma lore, too.

Ashren Dotharl · **01-22-2015, 03:47 PM**

So one connection I know that exists is the name Doma coming from Doma Castle in FFVI. I wonder if RT is eventually going to some how turn into Doma Castle with how it's building up over time and the Doman influence is starting to take more root. Also the fact that in FFVI Doma Castle opposed the Gestahlian Empire and was wiped out in response.

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