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Cato · **10-01-2013, 11:21 AM**

(10-01-2013, 06:25 AM)Katanyae Wrote:
(10-01-2013, 12:19 AM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote: It doesn't really matter whether it's a hobby or a professional job - everything in existence can be handled incorrectly whether people want to admit it or not. I suppose it's because I'm a realist but I've never really believed in the mantra of there being no right or wrong method when tackling a task. Incidentally, when multiple people are involved in a particular activity then there's the additional element of accountability to consider.
If someone isn't a team player and has no intention of improving themselves then they deserve to be called out in a constructive manner. I don't really believe in brushing issues under the rug, though I do try to eliminate the bad apples from my radar entirely and seek to offer aid to those who show promise and a willingness to learn.

Role-play is typically done for the sake of enjoyment. Some people take it more seriously than others and are invested to different degrees. If 'no one cared' about these things then there wouldn't be a debate in the first place. There needs to be an element of balance involved in role-play. Too much elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as dangerous and damaging. Creativity doesn't thrive when it's stifled at every turn, though it doesn't thrive if anything and everything is branded a 'good try' even when it's outright awful, inappropriate or illegal.

I...I cannot honestly believe that someone actually said that 'too much' elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as bad.

Wow. Just...wow. I'm glad you're on Balmung.Â

I mean, I regret not being on the same server as Roleplay Royalty...but I'll somehow survive.

Why are you taking it so personally? It's a debate, it's fine to disagree with what I'm saying, though it's not fine to imply that I'm a horrible person as a result of my beliefs. Do we really need to add an 'in my opinion' disclaimer to every post we make? It's nonsense. An apology would be very much appreciated! Why on earth people think my word is law is beyond me. I don't make the rules, I simply seek out like-minded role-players and stick with them, offering help and advice to those who are willing to accept it.

Allow me to elaborate: too much elitism is bad and too much tolerance is bad in my opinion. The reason for this is that excessive elitism can make role-play feel very forced and stagnant, usually driven by an obsession to plan out every last little thing in order to see whether it lines up with the canon lore or not. Some people take this too far and begin looking down at anyone who tries to fill in the gaps with feasible concepts.

On the other hand, too much tolerance can lead to all sorts of strange things being considered 'fine' even if they make people uncomfortable. I don't need to see people's deepest and darkest sexual fetishes acted out in public, or for people to start claiming that it's 'not a big deal' if a popular role-player decides to abuse their position within the community to take extreme liberties with their character concept and claim that they're the right hand and lover of Admiral Merlwyb. I come from a WoW background and these things do happen, though many role-players prefer to brush them under the rug instead of setting down even the most basic of safeguards and standards.

On a side note, if people truly find my writing style so offensive please consider toggling the ignore function on. I enjoy a good debate and consider myself a critical thinker. I'm not here to coat my words in sugar, or indulge in a popularity contest. I'm not 'mean' for being direct. What I do strive to do is remain within the confines of the site rules. I don't lose my temper, I don't target other posters and ridicule them for their opinions and expect the same courtesy in return. I just don't mince my words. I'm a Scouser, after all. Wink

Katanyae · **10-01-2013, 12:41 PM**

(10-01-2013, 11:21 AM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote:
(10-01-2013, 06:25 AM)Katanyae Wrote:
(10-01-2013, 12:19 AM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote: It doesn't really matter whether it's a hobby or a professional job - everything in existence can be handled incorrectly whether people want to admit it or not. I suppose it's because I'm a realist but I've never really believed in the mantra of there being no right or wrong method when tackling a task. Incidentally, when multiple people are involved in a particular activity then there's the additional element of accountability to consider.
If someone isn't a team player and has no intention of improving themselves then they deserve to be called out in a constructive manner. I don't really believe in brushing issues under the rug, though I do try to eliminate the bad apples from my radar entirely and seek to offer aid to those who show promise and a willingness to learn.

Role-play is typically done for the sake of enjoyment. Some people take it more seriously than others and are invested to different degrees. If 'no one cared' about these things then there wouldn't be a debate in the first place. There needs to be an element of balance involved in role-play. Too much elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as dangerous and damaging. Creativity doesn't thrive when it's stifled at every turn, though it doesn't thrive if anything and everything is branded a 'good try' even when it's outright awful, inappropriate or illegal.

I...I cannot honestly believe that someone actually said that 'too much' elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as bad.

Wow. Just...wow. I'm glad you're on Balmung.Â

I mean, I regret not being on the same server as Roleplay Royalty...but I'll somehow survive.

Why are you taking it so personally? It's a debate, it's fine to disagree with what I'm saying, though it's not fine to imply that I'm a horrible person as a result of my beliefs. Do we really need to add an 'in my opinion' disclaimer to every post we make? It's nonsense. An apology would be very much appreciated! Why on earth people think my word is law is beyond me. I don't make the rules, I simply seek out like-minded role-players and stick with them, offering help and advice to those who are willing to accept it.

Allow me to elaborate: too much elitism is bad and too much tolerance is bad in my opinion. The reason for this is that excessive elitism can make role-play feel very forced and stagnant, usually driven by an obsession to plan out every last little thing in order to see whether it lines up with the canon lore or not. Some people take this too far and begin looking down at anyone who tries to fill in the gaps with feasible concepts.

On the other hand, too much tolerance can lead to all sorts of strange things being considered 'fine' even if they make people uncomfortable. I don't need to see people's deepest and darkest sexual fetishes acted out in public, or for people to start claiming that it's 'not a big deal' if a popular role-player decides to abuse their position within the community to take extreme liberties with their character concept and claim that they're the right hand and lover of Admiral Merlwyb. I come from a WoW background and these things do happen, though many role-players prefer to brush them under the rug instead of setting down even the most basic of safeguards and standards.

On a side note, if people truly find my writing style so offensive please consider toggling the ignore function on. I enjoy a good debate and consider myself a critical thinker. I'm not here to coat my words in sugar, or indulge in a popularity contest. I'm not 'mean' for being direct. What I do strive to do is remain within the confines of the site rules. I don't lose my temper, I don't target other posters and ridicule them for their opinions and expect the same courtesy in return. I just don't mince my words. I'm a Scouser, after all.

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I'm not taking it personally. I just strongly dislike the attitude that you are portraying in your posting.

Did I imply you were a horrible person that kills puppies? No. I said that I am glad you play on a different server than me because I think your stance on all of this is an anti-beacon for a strong, diverse community. I know you want to think this is all about YOU, but it's not.

I'm sorry if you feel you are owed an apology. Because I will not apologize for how I feel about a viewpointÂ I utterly despise.Â And no matter how many times you try to dress your opinion up, it still comes at the cost of others' feelings. I'm also sorry that you're playing the victim card.

So yeah I guess you did get an apology. But not the one you publically wanted, hmm?

Cato · **10-01-2013, 01:08 PM**

(10-01-2013, 12:41 PM)Katanyae Wrote:
(10-01-2013, 11:21 AM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote:
(10-01-2013, 06:25 AM)Katanyae Wrote:
(10-01-2013, 12:19 AM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote: It doesn't really matter whether it's a hobby or a professional job - everything in existence can be handled incorrectly whether people want to admit it or not. I suppose it's because I'm a realist but I've never really believed in the mantra of there being no right or wrong method when tackling a task. Incidentally, when multiple people are involved in a particular activity then there's the additional element of accountability to consider.
If someone isn't a team player and has no intention of improving themselves then they deserve to be called out in a constructive manner. I don't really believe in brushing issues under the rug, though I do try to eliminate the bad apples from my radar entirely and seek to offer aid to those who show promise and a willingness to learn.

Role-play is typically done for the sake of enjoyment. Some people take it more seriously than others and are invested to different degrees. If 'no one cared' about these things then there wouldn't be a debate in the first place. There needs to be an element of balance involved in role-play. Too much elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as dangerous and damaging. Creativity doesn't thrive when it's stifled at every turn, though it doesn't thrive if anything and everything is branded a 'good try' even when it's outright awful, inappropriate or illegal.

I...I cannot honestly believe that someone actually said that 'too much' elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as bad.

Wow. Just...wow. I'm glad you're on Balmung.Â

I mean, I regret not being on the same server as Roleplay Royalty...but I'll somehow survive.

Why are you taking it so personally? It's a debate, it's fine to disagree with what I'm saying, though it's not fine to imply that I'm a horrible person as a result of my beliefs. Do we really need to add an 'in my opinion' disclaimer to every post we make? It's nonsense. An apology would be very much appreciated! Why on earth people think my word is law is beyond me. I don't make the rules, I simply seek out like-minded role-players and stick with them, offering help and advice to those who are willing to accept it.

Allow me to elaborate: too much elitism is bad and too much tolerance is bad in my opinion. The reason for this is that excessive elitism can make role-play feel very forced and stagnant, usually driven by an obsession to plan out every last little thing in order to see whether it lines up with the canon lore or not. Some people take this too far and begin looking down at anyone who tries to fill in the gaps with feasible concepts.

On the other hand, too much tolerance can lead to all sorts of strange things being considered 'fine' even if they make people uncomfortable. I don't need to see people's deepest and darkest sexual fetishes acted out in public, or for people to start claiming that it's 'not a big deal' if a popular role-player decides to abuse their position within the community to take extreme liberties with their character concept and claim that they're the right hand and lover of Admiral Merlwyb. I come from a WoW background and these things do happen, though many role-players prefer to brush them under the rug instead of setting down even the most basic of safeguards and standards.

On a side note, if people truly find my writing style so offensive please consider toggling the ignore function on. I enjoy a good debate and consider myself a critical thinker. I'm not here to coat my words in sugar, or indulge in a popularity contest. I'm not 'mean' for being direct. What I do strive to do is remain within the confines of the site rules. I don't lose my temper, I don't target other posters and ridicule them for their opinions and expect the same courtesy in return. I just don't mince my words. I'm a Scouser, after all.
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I'm not taking it personally. I just strongly dislike the attitude that you are portraying in your posting.

Did I imply you were a horrible person that kills puppies? No. I said that I am glad you play on a different server than me because I think your stance on all of this is an anti-beacon for a strong, diverse community. I know you want to think this is all about YOU, but it's not.

I'm sorry if you feel you are owed an apology. Because I will not apologize for how I feel about a viewpointÂ I utterly despise.Â And no matter how many times you try to dress your opinion up, it still comes at the cost of others' feelings. I'm also sorry that you're playing the victim card.

So yeah I guess you did get an apology. But not the one you publically wanted, hmm?

Why are you claiming that it isn't about me if you're targeting me specifically with your commentary? I'm not playing the victim card at all, I'm asking you to practice what you preach and treat other posters with dignity and respect even if you happen to disagree with their views.

You don't get a diverse community through belittling people who harbour different beliefs, opinions and have endured completely different experiences to their peers - that just isn't how it works.

Clover · **10-01-2013, 01:14 PM**

I believe that Theodric's point is quite clear and means no harm, so I'm also surprised at the strong reactions it's getting (especially when the word "despise" is even involved) o.oa

I tend to be quite chill when it comes to RP. I admit I'm the kind who thinks that people should RP as they like and I should just deal with whatever happens. This attitude placed a past character of mine in a very uncomfortable scene where she was nearly raped (it didn't go further because I had to finally step ahead OOCly and let the other player know that I very much wanted my character to be saved asap *laughs*). ThatÂ wasn't the nicest thing for me, so yes, Theodric's point basically means that we must set a limit on things that we allow when we RP. No idea of why anyone should despise that, but oh well ^^;
I doubt I have misunderstood him.

Also, if there's something I will avoid when I RP? That's very touchy RPers. People who make a big deal out of other people's harmless opinions, and who try to make other people feel guilty for stating them. I like being able to have a casual conversation with someone who, hopefully, won't jump on my neck over anything I say.

Aeslyn Grey · **10-01-2013, 01:39 PM**

I have read Â this thread with interest as a person who, whilst having some prior RP experience, still considers herself to be in a learning stage. I think we never stop improving and honing our skills.Â

I would appreciate roleplaying with someone who has Theodric's approach to helping people. What I don't like is if I go away from an RP wondering if I made bloopers that no one was comfortable telling me about, or if I was just boring and no one thought it was their place to give me suggestions for new ideas. Of course I don't expect everyone to help me, but I would be more than happy to RP with people who sent me the occasional /tell to say (you might want to try doing that this way) or who would meet up with me afterwards to give me suggestions.Â

I might not agree with everything they suggest, but I would add the knowledge to my mental list of things to consider when thinking about how people interpret my style. As long as it is done with kindness, discretion and with a genuine wish to help, and not to feed their own ego, then I would welcome that approach very much.

I hesitated as to whether to contribute to this discussion, because the atmosphere in here has turned hostile. It was a good discussion that I found interesting, but it makes me sad to see someone be singled out in the manner that happened here. I'd like to see this discussion stay on topic, and have an atmosphere where everyone feels safe to express their opinion and stay constructive.

***Alothia*** · **10-01-2013, 02:18 PM**

Mkay. I asked you guys to stop arguing back and forth. I'm closing this thread now.

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