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Ignacius · **05-01-2014, 09:19 AM**

(04-30-2014, 11:52 AM)dearie doe Wrote: Unfortunately, I'm agreeing with what others are saying about the female model. I think the young faces on males are enough to roleplay a young boy in terms of looks, but if you wanted the skinny/lithe look, I see where you're coming from.

Well... actually, that's sort of a good point. Â The characters, almost universally (except the Roegadyn) are ALREADY lithe and skinny. Â And the faces, unless you intentionally choose one that looks older or slap a beard on it, already look like they're fifteen.

I mean, I had to go out of my way to make Ignacius look grown-up-but-not-middle-aged. Â FFXIV and, if nobody minds me being a little stereotypical, Japanese games in general make the characters look exceptionally young and lean. Â Your other option is... well.... Roegadyn. Â You'd think there'd be a middle-ground.

Honestly, you could just shrink your character, go unmuscled, pick a young face and eyes, and look like a twelve year old. Â No female model required.

I guess it kind of feels like you'd be going out of your way to use the female model. Â Males in this game already look a little fae and effeminate as a matter of course. Â It isn't like in WoW where you have a choice for men between running back and defensive linesman.

Blue · **05-01-2014, 10:52 AM**

(05-01-2014, 09:19 AM)Ignacius Wrote:
(04-30-2014, 11:52 AM)dearie doe Wrote: Unfortunately, I'm agreeing with what others are saying about the female model. I think the young faces on males are enough to roleplay a young boy in terms of looks, but if you wanted the skinny/lithe look, I see where you're coming from.

Well... actually, that's sort of a good point. Â The characters, almost universally (except the Roegadyn) are ALREADY lithe and skinny. Â And the faces, unless you intentionally choose one that looks older or slap a beard on it, already look like they're fifteen.

I mean, I had to go out of my way to make Ignacius look grown-up-but-not-middle-aged. Â FFXIV and, if nobody minds me being a little stereotypical, Japanese games in general make the characters look exceptionally young and lean. Â Your other option is... well.... Roegadyn. Â You'd think there'd be a middle-ground.

Honestly, you could just shrink your character, go unmuscled, pick a young face and eyes, and look like a twelve year old. Â No female model required.

I guess it kind of feels like you'd be going out of your way to use the female model. Â Males in this game already look a little fae and effeminate as a matter of course. Â It isn't like in WoW where you have a choice for men between running back and defensive linesman.

I agree with you for Lalafell, Hyur and Elezen, but I think he made a mistake picking Miqo'te. Miqo'te, much like Roegadyn, has very sensible physical differences between the two genders. We can't even pick a muscle tone on them, and Miqo'te male were purposefully made with very "male" stances and poses, including how they sit, walk, run, and stand; while Miqo'te females are all around feminine, almost to an exaggerated point, in everything they do (again, on purpose. SE has always had this kind of fetish for them since FFXI). Picking Hyur, Lala or Elezen would have probably given more androgynous options, which is why I went with Elezen with my feminine-looking boy (I have actually been mistaken for a girl while playing him a couple times).

Naunet · **05-01-2014, 11:29 AM**

(05-01-2014, 09:19 AM)Ignacius Wrote: Males in this game already look a little fae and effeminate as a matter of course.

I'm not seein' it. o.0 Unless you pick the "pretty" fac, and even then it's only in the face. But nothing about the male bodies says effeminate to me.

Rynn · **05-01-2014, 01:48 PM**

(05-01-2014, 08:28 AM)Blue Wrote: I guess I'm kinda late on this tip, but I figure that if you really decided to roll with a female model, a good way to suggest to others that you are a male would be to choose a name that respects the naming conventions for male Miqote's. R'ynn Tia/R'ynn Nunh for a Seeker of the Sun, or Rynn'a/Rynn'to/Rynn'li etc. for a Keeper of the Moon. That would give a good hint about your IC gender (though some may think you are an original Male Miqo'te who used a Fantasia potion, I guess). I don't mean to be a joykiller, but "Rynn Berne" would at a very first glance hint for a female of the Keeper of the Moon. Of course though, if your character was named by parents belonging to another race, the name is perfectly plausible. I am just speaking from a Miqo'te naming convention standpoint.

Yeah, the character was named by Hyur. I'm not familiar enough with Miqo'te lore to play one raised by an actual tribe, so I'd rather go with the lore I do know.

Rinh Hallani · **05-01-2014, 01:58 PM**

One of my friends plays a more feminine looking male miqo'te and rolled him with the female model. I don't recall anyone having a problem with it OOC or IC. Of course some people assumed he was a she upon first meeting him but they were corrected ICly and, in my opinion, it actually resulted in some interesting RP.

Jana · **05-01-2014, 03:14 PM**

(05-01-2014, 01:48 PM)Rynn Wrote: Yeah, the character was named by Hyur. I'm not familiar enough with Miqo'te lore to play one raised by an actual tribe, so I'd rather go with the lore I do know.

The question then becomes "why play Miqo'te at all" when male midlanders (I don't know about highlanders) can be much more boyish?

Rynn · **05-01-2014, 03:41 PM**

(05-01-2014, 03:14 PM)Jana Wrote:
(05-01-2014, 01:48 PM)Rynn Wrote: Yeah, the character was named by Hyur. I'm not familiar enough with Miqo'te lore to play one raised by an actual tribe, so I'd rather go with the lore I do know.

The question then becomes "why play Miqo'te at all" when male midlanders (I don't know about highlanders) can be much more boyish?

Mostly because of the Mind boost.

Aysun · **05-01-2014, 04:11 PM**

(05-01-2014, 03:41 PM)Rynn Wrote:
(05-01-2014, 03:14 PM)Jana Wrote:
(05-01-2014, 01:48 PM)Rynn Wrote: Yeah, the character was named by Hyur. I'm not familiar enough with Miqo'te lore to play one raised by an actual tribe, so I'd rather go with the lore I do know.

The question then becomes "why play Miqo'te at all" when male midlanders (I don't know about highlanders) can be much more boyish?
Mostly because of the Mind boost.

Can claim it's stats all you want.. lol.. Those stats are negligible. Jana has a great point.

All male miqo'te also have markings beneath their eyes that darken as they age. So to hide his gender, or appear as feminine as you want him to, you would have to wear make up to cover those markings. Which means you're character would be purposefully trying to look like a girl.

I'm not saying they can't be feminine, but they have traits that you cannot ignore. They are males. They will always be a little taller than females. They will always have a more masculine voice and structure. They'll have their male markings. Miqo'te is a poor race to choose if you want a femmeboy character, despite it being the most common choice for those who want that. xD

Jana · **05-01-2014, 05:11 PM**

The stat differences make no tangible difference in endgame; the one example I can think of is Lallafel BLM getting an extra cast with their Mind without having to work on the stat. Unless you're willing to rework your character into a Lallafel, starting stats are basically meaningless.

Rynn · **05-01-2014, 05:24 PM**

(05-01-2014, 04:11 PM)Aysun Wrote:
(05-01-2014, 03:41 PM)Rynn Wrote:
(05-01-2014, 03:14 PM)Jana Wrote:
(05-01-2014, 01:48 PM)Rynn Wrote: Yeah, the character was named by Hyur. I'm not familiar enough with Miqo'te lore to play one raised by an actual tribe, so I'd rather go with the lore I do know.

The question then becomes "why play Miqo'te at all" when male midlanders (I don't know about highlanders) can be much more boyish?
Mostly because of the Mind boost.
Can claim it's stats all you want.. lol.. Those stats are negligible. Jana has a great point.

All male miqo'te also have markings beneath their eyes that darken as they age. So to hide his gender, or appear as feminine as you want him to, you would have to wear make up to cover those markings. Which means you're character would be purposefully trying to look like a girl.

I'm not saying they can't be feminine, but they have traits that you cannot ignore. They are males. They will always be a little taller than females. They will always have a more masculine voice and structure. They'll have their male markings. Miqo'te is a poor race to choose if you want a femmeboy character, despite it being the most common choice for those who want that. xD

I think this is the closest to a rude reply I've gotten on this thread. That makes me kind of happy.

(05-01-2014, 05:11 PM)Jana Wrote: The stat differences make no tangible difference in endgame; the one example I can think of is Lallafel BLM getting an extra cast with their Mind without having to work on the stat. Unless you're willing to rework your character into a Lallafel, starting stats are basically meaningless.

You see, I'm use to games where the bonus stats of races make differences in the game play. I'll probably think about reworking into a Hyur then, but I actually kind of enjoy the look I managed to get for the character.

Kage · **05-01-2014, 05:25 PM**

(05-01-2014, 05:11 PM)Jana Wrote: The stat differences make no tangible difference in endgame; the one example I can think of is Lallafel BLM getting an extra cast with their Mind without having to work on the stat. Unless you're willing to rework your character into a Lallafel, starting stats are basically meaningless.

Pretty much Dunesfolk Lalafell base stats with the 23 PIE gives them like one extra Fire cast for BLM. I didn't know this when I rolled a Dunesfolk Lala and knew I wanted try BLM until I noticed that in end-game I had a certain hundred more MP or so.

The MIND doesn't really mean much I've heard in this game. Racial Min-maxing really doesn't make much difference at all. A Lala PLD is just as effective really as a Roe PLD

Jana · **05-01-2014, 05:30 PM**

Yes, I meant Piety, not Mind. I don't play casting classes very often, and you'd think a "god-y" stat like Piety would have to do with healing, no the other way around... Just a little confusion on my part.

(05-01-2014, 05:24 PM)Rynn Wrote: You see, I'm use to games where the bonus stats of races make differences in the game play. I'll probably think about reworking into a Hyur then, but I actually kind of enjoy the look I managed to get for the character.

What you wanna do in the end is up to you. Just keep in mind that this game doesn't put a lot of emphasis on race and racial stat. Rather it encourages players to level every class to 50 on a single character, for better or worse, so no race has a real leg-up on any other per class.

Aysun · **05-01-2014, 05:35 PM**

Glad I didn't disappoint. People pretty much expect me to be rude, and treat me as if I am being rude, even when I am not. Gotta hold up that image.

Stats do matter, you'll see when you get further in the game and such, but that's only when you're choosing your gear and weapon. It shouldn't influence your race choice, because their stat differences are so miniscule they're hardly notable at endgame. SE did that intentionally I believe, so that people could play whatever race they wanted regardless of what class they wanted to do, but the min/maxers could choose their race based on some tiny stat boost if it is that important to them.

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