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Shuck · **06-08-2013, 04:29 AM**

(06-08-2013, 04:21 AM)Luka Paluka Wrote: I'm not saying RP and a novel should be the same. What I amÂ saying is that Roleplay is also the telling of a story. And there are some things stories should follow, no matter the format they are shown in, be it a novel, film or video game. Roleplay is a group of people telling a story through different characters. This is what I'm trying to get at with this comparison. I don't want some pre-made story for my Roleplay, I want other characters to change it up in unexpected ways that make sense. Retcons happen, retcons have even happened in some novels/films/games,Â but the audience is told that it's happened. They are given that warning.

But, again, this isn't a book, so you aren't entitled to that warning. Which is what I had said before.

Also, since roleplaying =/= novels, this measure is still a poor one to use. And it'll be a poor one to use if you bring it up again.

(06-08-2013, 04:21 AM)Luka Paluka Wrote: Regarding the shallow quote, you seem to be thinking that I aimed that at all of Abodo's post. That wasn't what I was doing at all, hence why I quoted the specific line that I felt was shallow. I didn't quote his entire post and label it as shallow, because he had some points that I replied to. So if I didn't make it clear that I was only aiming the 'shallow' point at that one line (even though I did quote the specific line), then that's my mistake I suppose.

No, I think you were responding to exactly what you responded to, and I will again remind you that there's no substance in thumbing your nose at a medium for not being like, or adhering to the same rules as another medium.

The argument is shallow.

(06-08-2013, 04:21 AM)Luka Paluka Wrote: Hostility was never my intention and I have apologised to Beatric in my previous post as I didn't mean to cause offence with what was said.

By your own protest, would this not also be a shallow statement?

(06-08-2013, 04:21 AM)Luka Paluka Wrote: Retreading, perhaps, but I am expressing my opinion on a public forum that is meant for discussion, just like everyone else.

Still not the original point of discussion. Still. No matter how free you feel with your opinion, you missed the entire point of the discussion that was meant to take place by the person who made the thread, and instead opted to get in on...I don't know. I don't know what the point of this was.

Ronberku · **06-08-2013, 04:40 AM**

(06-08-2013, 04:00 AM)Shuck Wrote: *snip*

(06-08-2013, 03:43 AM)Luka Paluka Wrote: *snip*

*brings out his ruler* Now, now. Break it up you two. The thread is being derailed enough as it is. And Beatric already came to her choice. I advice to take this between you two through pm's as it will only lead into a small innocent ember to eventually turn into a forest fire. Wink

There seems to be lot of reading between the lines or misinterpreting someone's words or sentence around here though. So let's all take a few steps back, think about something else and move on.

Luka Paluka · **06-08-2013, 04:50 AM**

Oops. Edited as I didn't see Ron's post before mine!

Doing as asked and letting the thread go back to it's original topic!Â Angel

Rhostel · **06-08-2013, 07:36 AM**

I'm not changing Rhostel's clan so much as making her the Highlander she always was.

I'm also probably going to take two alts, who I never, ever roleplayed, not even having strong ideas about backgrounds for them in fact, and change them into the two alts that I do have ideas for. I'd start from scratch, but I got those two their own goobbues, and that's awesome.

(For the record, Dunesfolk female and Keeper of the Moon female (who was originally created with the intent of being turned male) into Sea Wolf female and Elezen (not deciding on clan until I get to the character creator) male. Probably in respective order, because the Lala was a 30 PUG, a class I want for the Roe, and the Miqo was a 30 ARC, a class I want for the Ele.)

I don't care what anyone else does. I'm always ready to roll with the punches. Smile

Orlog · **06-08-2013, 05:14 PM**

(06-08-2013, 07:36 AM)Rhostel Wrote: I'm not changing Rhostel's clan so much as making her the Highlander she always was.

Ohlala! You're the first person I've seen going for a female Highlander and I'm glad! I personally think they're the more interesting of the two Hyur. I love their character shape, size and just... everything. So, hooray!

(06-08-2013, 07:36 AM)Rhostel Wrote: I don't care what anyone else does. I'm always ready to roll with the punches.

Haha, no kidding, right? Tongue

Nee Ninean · **06-08-2013, 05:43 PM**

I like the female highlander's dance, and may make an alt, but I will be a lala forever. I cannot imagine a world without Nee, such a terrible place it would be.

Orlog · **06-08-2013, 05:45 PM**

(06-08-2013, 05:43 PM)Nee Ninean Wrote: I cannot imagine a world without Nee, such a terrible place it would be.

Agreed! Everyone needs a little Lalafell love. Speaking of which, I don't think I've seen many dedicated Lala RPers in 1.0, so it's nice to see more people playing 'em. Big Grin

Nee Ninean · **06-08-2013, 06:00 PM**

(06-08-2013, 05:45 PM)Beatric Reid Wrote:
(06-08-2013, 05:43 PM)Nee Ninean Wrote: I cannot imagine a world without Nee, such a terrible place it would be.

Agreed! Everyone needs a little Lalafell love. Speaking of which, I don't think I've seen many dedicated Lala RPers in 1.0, so it's nice to see more people playing 'em.

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I believe that anyone thinking of rerolling should go Lala. Lala forever!!! Join the legions !!! Thumbsup

Mtoto Wamoto · **06-09-2013, 07:55 AM**

I apologize if I may come off as rude here as it's late and I've become fed up standing on the side lines as an idle bystander while trying to remain neutral in the cases I have spoke up, but I'm seriously baffled and somewhat revolted at how everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING, on this site is slowing turning into these passive-aggressive debates based on the merits of whether or not its acceptable for a player to do this or that with their character. I understand the necessity of discussion, but the discussion that stemmed from the initial question that spawned this thread has derailed it to all hell, and quite frankly, was a discussion that shouldn't have been dragged out as long as it has. I suppose I'm being hypocritical here as I'm effectively necro-bumping the discussion with this post, but I'm sure I'm no more of a hypocrite or contrary than some of the people who have posted here already.Â

I said it once before in another thread, and I'll say it again. The most important thing that we should consider is whether or not the player is happy doing what they're doing with their character. If they want to change race/sex/name, they have every right to do so without having to consult anyone or feel like they need to receive approval from the community for their own creation. While of course, a courtesy notice to those who may possibly be affected is always nice, I don't even feel that's even a requirement.Â Yes, I understand the extreme situations presented where changing a character's race/sex could cause a problem along the road, but seriously, we're already playing in a world of make believe and fantasy within a game that has changed so drastically from its original inception, it should be completely understandableÂ that people are going to have a change of heart in their character's appearance.Â

While people are going to have varying opinions on what people do with their own stories (I'm sure there are a lot of people in the community who would frown at me had they known my own character's back story for example), as a community, we should support one another in building strong characters the creator can be happy with so long as there is no detrimental effect such as, I don't know, godmoding or metagaming or breaking completely away from the established lore? Yssen summarized my stance on this quite well in his initial post here. We ought to be flexible and accepting of changes in the community and individual characters during this very turbulent time rather than being so overly opinionated and rigid.

From a personal standpoint, I do have friends who are changing races come 2.0. Will this have an impact on how my character has interacted with them in the past? Perhaps, but I feel it wouldn't be a massive change in the slightest. For me, race changing is such a minute detail in the substance and creation of the character. There are so many other facets of a character that define and build it that I feel a change of race or sex would be a small hiccup for anyone outside of the character's intimate circle, in which case would likely be discussed internally among those affected.Â

tl;dr: My stance is this - we should be as open minded and supportive as we can for the members of this community rather than the contrary in an effort to keep the RP and the game itself fun and enjoyable for everyone. As the OP of this thread has already stated, the comments and opinions reflected here have only served to discourage her and potentially others who may be in the same position. Before people get up on their high-chocobos to voice their opinions on a matter that really has little effect on them, perhaps its more prudent that they understand what the initial question being asked was along with the reasons behind the player's choice.

To answer the initial question and why I came to this thread to begin with before I got derailed myself...

I do intend to make some appearance changes to Mtoto come 2.0, though they're mainly just cosmetic. I have debated on whether or not I wanted to change her to a female Hyur (I still am actually...) as I've never RPed Mtoto as very "Miqo'te" like, whatever that means. Hell, there are many times where I sometimes forget she's a Miqo'te and I'm only reminded by that fact due to the cat ears and tail. I made Mtoto to begin with as an OOC alt from my original main character, but she slowly became my main over time. Had I known I was going to RP her from the begining, I would have likely made her a Hyur. There's also the fact that my second character is the same race and clan as Mtoto is currently, so the thought of changing her would add some nice diversity for me. :p

I think the issue for me changing really just stems from the fact that changing her race in this case would likely also change her name, as Mtoto isn't exactly the Hyurist of Hyur names.

Moonfire · **06-09-2013, 12:09 PM**

Well that is one good thing about being a new player. I don't have to worry about any of that .Â Cool

Orlog · **06-09-2013, 07:10 PM**

(06-09-2013, 07:55 AM)Mtoto Wamoto Wrote: I have debated on whether or not I wanted to change her to a female Hyur (I still am actually...) as I've never RPed Mtoto as very "Miqo'te" like, whatever that means.

I think you should do it! Being a Hyur would be so perfect for her as far as appearances (and a strong woman who don't need no man) and Hyur, in my opinion, encompass that quite nicely.

As far as names go... Eh. There's no reason to say that perhaps the characters changed their name to match that of the Miqo'te culture because they liked it. Or that, perhaps, their parents grew up immersed in the culture, even if they weren't Miqo'te themselves.

Rhostel · **06-09-2013, 11:46 PM**

I still say Mtoto Wamoto is the name of a Plainsfolk man. Tongue

ArmachiA · **06-12-2013, 02:14 AM**

I'm rerolling Armi from a Female Elezen to a Midlander Hyur. There are Beta reasons for this more than there are story reasons for this. Damn you NDA (Be the 14th already)

I'm rerolling Loki to from a midlander Female to a Highander Female. She's just always been Highlander in her heart.

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