
I guess my next question is, if I do choose to proceed with this obviously difficult RPing storyline does anyone know any Supportive fun roleplaying FC that would allow this sort of thing?
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RE: Why can't my Character be from FFXI? |
07-11-2015, 03:29 AM
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I guess my next question is, if I do choose to proceed with this obviously difficult RPing storyline does anyone know any Supportive fun roleplaying FC that would allow this sort of thing?
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RE: Why can't my Character be from FFXI? |
07-11-2015, 03:29 AM
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My two gil.
I don't see a reason why a character can't be from the world of XI. While it's clear that only Shantotto herself in that world can consciously open dimensional doorways to alternate realities or worlds, there's plenty of room for accidentally shifting, and as we've seen, Lightning sort of coasts dimensions. When big magics go wrong, anything can happen. Hell, look at the Allagans. Nothing says an Allagan research project into tearing open new worlds couldn't have reached the world of XI. 'But Allag is dead as of five millenia ago!' I hear you say. Ah, but dimensional physics are tricky. If their method was flawed, certainly they'd pull an individual or three through by accident..but who says you'd arrive in *their* time? Maybe you'd arrive in modern Eorzea instead. Time/Space is a tricky thing, left to the imagination,which is good! Imagination is something I think many of us have forgotten is a catalyst to great creation and roleplay. While I admit Tancred's reply was a bit negative in its presentation, I have to concur with one thing. Certain universes do not mesh. Middle Earth, for example, has no known method of dimensional travel and is very removed form the Final Fantasy universe. However, other final fantasy games are notorious about being 'connected' in one way or another. Gilgamesh appears in many worlds, and has spoken of traveling through the void. XIII-2 shows us a 'Void' that serves as a connector between the various Final Fantasy realities, meaning that while they are separate of one another, they can also overlap in places. So if someone said they were from Middle Earth, or somewhere that doesn't have the kind of magic or technology that would allow it, yeah I'd question that right off the bat. But since Final Fantasy worlds are known to be somewhat coterminous with each other, I wouldn't see an issue of of someone's character being form any of the known Final Fantasy dimensions at all (provided they weren't playing canon characters, which is a bit in poor taste in my own opinion.) Nor would I have an issue with them being from a world where inter-dimensional travel could potentially bring them to Eorzea. The fun of this is that it means they would have to adapt to a whole new set of cultures, of viewpoints, and the fact whatever magic or object brought them to this world..would no longer likely work as it does not follow Eorzea's 'rules'. Stranger in a strange land is always fun to roleplay. As to what makes an interesting character? That's easy. Whatever floats your boat within reason. If someone doesn't like someone being form another universe, time, or dimension? Well, then your choice to roleplay with someone else. I'll be over here roleplaying with the AU guy so my character can hear all the stories of his strange land, and either dismiss him as a madman, or listen with rapt attention at the idea that there's more out there. But saying someone can't be from another universe is basically the same as saying if an honest to gods extraterrestrial landed on Earth, and your consensus is 'wait, they're form another world and not earth? that's not interesting at all'. Me, I'd be asking how he built his sweet ship. But that's me. Still, everyone does have their view, and differing views make the whole place good. Game on. :3 ![]() |
RE: Why can't my Character be from FFXI? |
07-11-2015, 03:43 AM
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My concern with threads such as this one is that people make them asking for feedback - usually knowing all too well that what they're doing is controversial - and then they seem more than willing to go ahead with it anyway even if they do receive a lot of criticism (constructive or otherwise) towards the idea in question.
Obviously you can do whatever you want...but surely it'd be far, far better to just create a character that fits in with the setting rather than expecting everybody your character interacts with to bend over backwards to accommodate an idea that, let's be frank: takes quite a bit of leaping to justify and make plausible? There's plenty of other settings I like within the Final Fantasy universe and outside of it. I just respect FFXIV enough to not go '...well -MY- character is from Azeroth/Vanadiel'. In short? If you're going to do something highly controversial, go ahead - but please cease with branding people 'elitist' or 'mean' just because they value the setting enough to not find extreme stretches of the imagination implausible. |
RE: Why can't my Character be from FFXI? |
07-11-2015, 03:50 AM
![]() Quote:I just would recommend against universe-hopping, as it's generally frowned upon in most roleplay communities. That's a pretty rampant generalization. As of this post, I'll say I've spoken to many roleplayers in the community, some who like the idea of dimension walkers, others who don't. This makes it sound as if you're speaking for those communities, which is a bit of a dangerous stance to take. Perhaps it may have been frowned on in most communities you have known, but that doesn't make it 'most communities'. Having come from many where it was not only accepted, but enjoyed, I must respectfully disagree. Quote:It isn't difficult to use the same imagination you used to create this world-jump to just alter your character a bit to fit into the setting, and most people would prefer that. Again, a very sweeping generalization. Who are these 'most people' you speak for, precisely? Also, for those who have become very attached to a long term character, just altering them is out of the question for some who prefer what they have. They've already put imagination into their creation many times over. Quote:Excuse me for using blunt humor to get to a point. But really, if we can all be from whatever world we want in any game, why even have lore? Or a setting? Why don't we just Super Smash Bros every fantasy world into one? We have precedence for dimension-travel in game events, in the story, and across all the Final Fantasy universe. As I stated above, sure, I'd facepalm at someone who wanted to come from the Shire, but if they wanted to be from Vana'diel or a final fantasy based universe, there'd be nothing wrong with it in my humble opinion. Also, is the question 'why have a lore or a setting' even a serious question? Nowhere in the lore does it specifically say what is suggested is impossible. Equally, 'why have a setting' is like asking 'we have an America, why have a Europe?' Because it exists. Eorzea, Hydealyn, is there. So why not move from one setting to another? Having a setting does not devalue coming to one setting from another, anymore than having your own country devalues going to visit another. Are the physics of traveling worlds different than hopping a train or plane? Sure. But the principle is the same. As to 'why have a lore'? Well, each world has its own culture and peoples. That does not mean not being initially part of those peoples or cultures devalues having a character. Quote:And if you're thinking "well it's only a few people" my question is, "who gets to decide how many people from other universes is too many?" The answer to that is the roleplayers themselves. 'How many people'? The community isn't some gang or government that collectively decides what's allowed and what isn't. It's a group of individuals who can choose to allow what they want in their roleplay and the stories they build with others. No one gets to decide how many people form other universes is too many. No one has that right to arbitrarily decide that. If someone doesn't think the lore allows for it by their interpretation of how it's presented, then they have the right to not accept the person is from where they're from. But even then, this does not exclude Rp with them either. Perhaps they would be seen as mad. Or maybe dropped on their head a few too many times. Or perhaps they had vivid dreams about this 'other world' they speak of. Integrating someone's story in that manner, does not mean your character has to accept it at all. Good roleplay comes form introducing a little grey into your black and white rather than dismissing something outright. If someone doesn't like their explanation, have your character interpret it a different way. It may even make for interesting roleplay. ![]() |
RE: Why can't my Character be from FFXI? |
07-11-2015, 03:54 AM
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Clearly you can do whatever you choose. We have, among us on RPC, people who play escaped Garlean experiments, artificial primals, bionic men, voidtouched aether vampires, demi-deities, and white mages. If they can do that, then surely you can be from FFXI.
You may have (as you've seen) trouble finding people willing to RP with you on that basis, but you can do what you choose. The problems you're running into, however, are one of the big reasons why most of us play characters that are fairly ordinary to - and integrated into - Eorzea. But at the end of the day, you can do what you choose. |
RE: Why can't my Character be from FFXI? |
07-11-2015, 03:59 AM
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![]() (07-11-2015, 03:50 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:(07-11-2015, 02:16 AM)Zedrick Pendragon Wrote: Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject? The thing is that he doesn't want to ignore those things. He wants his character to experience learning about these things from an IC perspective. It actually offers up a lot of play for those who are willing to see his character as strange, odd, or otherwise queer because of his opinions, views, and beliefs on the world, or on the flip side of that, because he should know things, and instead knows so little. That puts out a lot of starting points for RP and actually gives a lot of plot hooks that people could get into. Hell, just generalized RP, walk-ups with a lot of 'Hi, how are ya' could be interesting if his character isn't familiar with local customs. Speaking of Vana'diel and other lands, if these lands have no influence on Eorzea at all, why are bits and pieces of Vana'diel mentioned here and there in FFXIV items? I don't recall where, but I think at one point is was almost theorized that Eorzea was an alternate version of some kind of weird transitioned AU of Vana'diel as a way of connecting them. Final Fantasy is notorious for alternate versions of a world, world skipping, connecting games, and other similar links between titles in the franchise. It hits a point where the argument begins to boil down to "Yes, you can do this, and you can even make this seem plausible and interesting, but it means I'll have to make more effort to figure out how my character would react to someone being so different, so don't do it so I don't have to try and interact with you." Or at least, that's definitely how it feels from the other end of it. Yes, you could argue about the other person being special, but it's no different than dealing with someone who has different customs in the real world. We can't realistically expect them to conform to what we believe. [ Player Information | XIV Tumblr ] |
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