Post-Calamity elementals are weakened though. This would be the perfect opportunity to attack Gridania. Now if this was 1.0 setting....people invading the forest would be...umm..well, eaten by trees.
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The three nations are at war, who wins? |
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RE: The three nations are at war, who wins? |
08-28-2014, 01:38 PM
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RE: The three nations are at war, who wins? |
08-28-2014, 01:38 PM
Post calamity elementals might be weakened, but they're still a force to be reckoned with and they're angry as hells, apparently.Â
Between the three I still vote Limsa though. If anything, they'd sit back and outlast the other two. But my money would always be on the empire in this situation anyway. |
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08-28-2014, 01:40 PM
(08-28-2014, 01:28 PM)Dogberry Wrote: Historically, a naval based force will always beat a land based force. I wouldn't agree. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnesian_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punic_Wars I would say that a Naval based force can rarely lose to a land based force, because there is no way for the land based troops to fight it. Likewise control of the sea doesn't help you much if you don't have the offensive land troops needed. See world war II for an example. Sea based forces can only win when they bring a land force capable of defeating the enemy land force. Sea allows you to move force around faster, but against a concentrated city state like Ul'dah that doesn't matter. Also it's stated that the currents of vesper bay changed with the calamity, which is why there are no large ships there. So Limsa wouldn't be able to say, shell the city from the sea. |
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08-28-2014, 01:52 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-28-2014, 01:53 PM by Warren Castille.)
(08-28-2014, 01:44 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Explain to me how they would "lose", somehow, just because they don't need to leave their forest at any one point in time. It isn't that they don't need to, it's that they CAN'T. Maybe we're all misunderstanding but we all seem to be fairly certain that the strongest fighting force Grid would have would be the elementals defending the shroud. They'd be forced to turtle up; Once they set foot out of their land, they'd be run afoul by either cannonfire or an allegedly-superior military force. Ul'dah wouldn't need to invade. They could amass their resources and, using what's on hand and scraps of the empire, just create giant threshers to slowly destroy the Shroud itself. The Padjals might be teeming with powerful magic, but Ul'dah's the only place in Eorzea where you can learn to throw fire with your mind. I'm imagining huge, sweeping warmachines and buzzsaws, complete deforestation and squads of black mages cutting and burning. Eventually, and it might take a sea of spilled blood, the Shroud would be reduced enough that the REAL fighting could begin. Arguably, that could stand to small benefit Gridania; Without the treecover, their archers could be of some use in defense. I'd like to think that the massive morale blow that comes from your homeland being turned to ash over a generation or three would do the bulk of the heavy lifting, though. Edit: Dammit Nat and also Melkire. |
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08-28-2014, 02:32 PM
See, the problem with that argument is that it's incredibly counter-productive. The ONLY reason to even attempt to conquer Gridania in the first place is for its natural resources; burning it all down negates any reason for going there at all. You don't even have the argument of Gridania being a massive existential threat to justify such extreme measures, as, as everyone already mentioned, most of their most threatening features only work defensively, not offensively.
Of course they COULD be really, really stupid and burn it all down and lose all of that for the sake of "victory", but, uh, yeah, nobody really wins in that scenario. May as well just throw everything to the Empire if you're gonna go that route. |
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08-28-2014, 02:34 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-28-2014, 02:35 PM by Warren Castille.)
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08-28-2014, 02:38 PM
Yeah, burn the magic forest. Worked in Princess Mononoke.
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08-28-2014, 02:41 PM
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