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ArmachiA · **12-24-2014, 03:16 PM**

It's not. This is all just conjecture. I can SEE Keepers being more into polyamory. But if you can't, that's fine. Lore can be interpreted in many ways.

D'aito Kuji · **12-24-2014, 03:16 PM**

(12-24-2014, 03:04 PM)Kismet Wrote: Not sure how on or off-topic this is, but...

Several of my friends and I have been under the impression that the mating rituals of Seekers aren't really commonplace in Eorzea anymore. The whole Nuhn/Tia thing was very widespread years ago when tribes were being traditional and whatnot, but now that it's the adventuring age, many Seekers have left that lifestyle behind. The U tribe in Forgotten Springs is considered an old-fashioned minority, if you will.

None of this is to say that there are NO more traditional Seeker mating groups to be found. It's just not widespread or "the norm" anymore.

That seems fair enough since there's only one example.

But I prefer to play D'aito as having a more traditional background because it complicates the way she interacts with others, thinks about family, and her potential as a mate and a mother. Â Giving her less traditional values (in the Miqo'te sense) makes the character too much like me. Â I don't want her to be a human in cat clothes, I prefer to play her as a cat in human clothes and I'll take any bit of lore I can find that justifies that.

I'm completely open to the idea that the U-tribe are a minority though and I've already RP'd how little D'aito understands the sudden surge in Eternity Bonding, how it's not her way and can't understand the Miqo'te who do it. Â There's no doubt that continued contact and interaction with the world outside a tribe will influence and change behavior.

Kage · **12-24-2014, 03:23 PM**

I mean I am most likely just jumping on a stupid tangent going "how did I miss this?!" since miqo'te and non-traditional/non-conventional relationships have been brought up in a guide about polyamory.

Aysun · **12-24-2014, 03:26 PM**

(12-24-2014, 03:04 PM)Kismet Wrote: Not sure how on or off-topic this is, but...

Several of my friends and I have been under the impression that the mating rituals of Seekers aren't really commonplace in Eorzea anymore. The whole Nuhn/Tia thing was very widespread years ago when tribes were being traditional and whatnot, but now that it's the adventuring age, many Seekers have left that lifestyle behind. The U tribe in Forgotten Springs is considered an old-fashioned minority, if you will.

None of this is to say that there are NO more traditional Seeker mating groups to be found. It's just not widespread or "the norm" anymore.

You're not alone in those thoughts. Smile

It varies, as there are arguments for both sides.

Eve Malusion · **12-24-2014, 03:33 PM**

If memory serves male keepers are significantly less common than female ones. Its implied they have multiple females with one male, simply because of a neccessity to keep the tribe going, due to small tribes with a heavily unbalanced gender distribution.

One part that refers to this is: "Rarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race." From the miqo'te naming conventions.

This doesn't really refer to love, but its likely what sourced the belief that multiple females would have children with the same male in Keeper society.

As others said as well, sorry if I misunderstood the question. Tongue

Aysun · **12-24-2014, 03:39 PM**

(12-24-2014, 03:33 PM)Eve Malusion Wrote: If memory serves male keepers are significantly less common than female ones. Its implied they have multiple females with one male, simply because of a neccessity to keep the tribe going, due to small tribes with a heavily unbalanced gender distribution.

One part that refers to this is: "Rarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race." From the miqo'te naming conventions.

This doesn't really refer to love, but its likely what sourced the belief that multiple females would have children with the same male in Keeper society.

As others said as well, sorry if I misunderstood the question.

Note the use of "race" in the description - males are rare in both Seeker and Keeper clans of the Miqo'te race.

K'nahli · **12-24-2014, 03:52 PM**

I feel it's a duty in the non-obligatory sense. A female might be socially pressured to bear children by family members/the elders but I have reservations with the idea that they have no choice, it makes no sense to treat the females with such a lack of respect towards their own, free will without punishing them/casting them out of the tribe.

As for the nuhn, well sure he can potentially sleep with numerous women but it's not like impregnating many women at once is a very good idea, not these days at least. I can't possibly view it like a "harem" scenario because I imagine that everyone would regard the title with great respect. It represents the strongest(male at least) hunter in the tribe but he has no place making a game of it and if people deemed that someone were too irresponsible to hold the title then that would be considered a blemish against his name in spite of his strength.Â

Viewing it in such a shallow sense feels like a more modern sense of thinking where young people are culturally conditioned to make light of casual sex. A tribe has serious responsibilities as well as a particular way of thinking and acting that is isolated from the majority of the civilized world.

While some of you may think:

Quote:"Wow, permission and approval to sleep with several different women and have no-one bat an eye... sounds great!"

...a tia's view on the matter might probably be more like:

Quote:"Acknowledgement as the finest hunter and the honour of passing on 'my' own line to our tribe's next generation. I hope that I can someday earn myself such a blessing."

D'aito Kuji · **12-24-2014, 03:53 PM**

(12-24-2014, 03:39 PM)Aysun Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 03:33 PM)Eve Malusion Wrote: If memory serves male keepers are significantly less common than female ones. Its implied they have multiple females with one male, simply because of a neccessity to keep the tribe going, due to small tribes with a heavily unbalanced gender distribution.

One part that refers to this is: "Rarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race." From the miqo'te naming conventions.

This doesn't really refer to love, but its likely what sourced the belief that multiple females would have children with the same male in Keeper society.

As others said as well, sorry if I misunderstood the question.

Note the use of "race" in the description - males are rare in both Seeker and Keeper clans of the Miqo'te race.

I really think it's the rarity of the males that make polyamory less likely for the Seekers at least and probably for the Keepers as well.

On the surface it seems like an easy fit: one guy, multiple wives. Â But I think Seekers and Keepers culture and biological realities make it less applicable.

There's still room for it, I believe. Â I haven't been persuaded yet.

Such a good discussion tho. Â I love getting others opinions about Miqo'te especially outside the neko, fan-service, dynamic.

Aysun · **12-24-2014, 03:55 PM**

(12-24-2014, 03:53 PM)Daitokuji Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 03:39 PM)Aysun Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 03:33 PM)Eve Malusion Wrote: If memory serves male keepers are significantly less common than female ones. Its implied they have multiple females with one male, simply because of a neccessity to keep the tribe going, due to small tribes with a heavily unbalanced gender distribution.

One part that refers to this is: "Rarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race." From the miqo'te naming conventions.

This doesn't really refer to love, but its likely what sourced the belief that multiple females would have children with the same male in Keeper society.

As others said as well, sorry if I misunderstood the question.

Note the use of "race" in the description - males are rare in both Seeker and Keeper clans of the Miqo'te race.

I really think it's the rarity of the males that make polyamory less likely for the Seekers at least and probably for the Keepers as well.

On the surface it seems like an easy fit: one guy, multiple wives. Â But I think Seekers and Keepers culture and biological realities make it less applicable.

There's still room for it, I believe. Â I haven't been persuaded yet.

Such a good discussion tho. Â I love getting others opinions about Miqo'te especially outside the neko, fan-service, dynamic.

Oh I'm not really applying the rarity as reasons for true polyamory in either clan, just pointing out that the rarity of males exists in the entire race, not just in the Keeper clan. Smile

Eve Malusion · **12-24-2014, 03:57 PM**

(12-24-2014, 03:39 PM)Aysun Wrote:
(12-24-2014, 03:33 PM)Eve Malusion Wrote: If memory serves male keepers are significantly less common than female ones. Its implied they have multiple females with one male, simply because of a neccessity to keep the tribe going, due to small tribes with a heavily unbalanced gender distribution.

One part that refers to this is: "Rarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race." From the miqo'te naming conventions.

This doesn't really refer to love, but its likely what sourced the belief that multiple females would have children with the same male in Keeper society.

As others said as well, sorry if I misunderstood the question.

Note the use of "race" in the description - males are rare in both Seeker and Keeper clans of the Miqo'te race.

In that regard, my personal interpretation of why the mating ways of miqo'te in general ended up the way they did in regards to mating with several partners is that rather than being programmed to some degree in their DNA to be interested in multiple partners, its the natural instinct to want to maintain the existence of their species.

Seekers -> There are few males, finding the one with the best traits to sire the children will give the best chance of survival.

Keepers -> There are few males, being open about it and having as many children as possible will give the best chance of survival.

Simply two different reactions to the lack of males in the species. Now I will be the first one to admit thats an extremely short sighted summarized version of the view, just so thats said, but I didn't want to go into too much detail about it here. In addition both tribes have been described to have subset tribes where the rules can vary drastically, especially in the Keeper societies where there are smaller isolated tribes, traditions have very little overlap for some.

Oh and err... sorry, thread derailing. This turned into more of a post for the miqo'te mating thread. Blush

I will be on topic now!
Appreciate the thread on the subject, while I don't particularly like RPing it myself, I do have real life experience with it.

K'nahli · **12-24-2014, 03:59 PM**

(12-24-2014, 03:57 PM)Eve Malusion Wrote: Seekers -> There are few males, finding the one with the best traits to sire the children will give the best chance of survival.

I had almost entirely forgotten about this and it makes a very good point as to why the idea even came about.

Also yes, I hope Lili doesn't mind how this came to focus a lot around miqo'te now.. ;

Edvyn · **12-24-2014, 04:05 PM**

how many people who rp polyamory would actually do it irl? in my own experience, people have used polyamory as a way to deflect criticism regarding their poorly-written/poorly-played erp characters

Faye · **12-24-2014, 04:06 PM**

But to give an answer in vain: Does it really matter? If someone wants to ERP everyone and call it polyamory, more power to 'em. I don't see why it should really matter to anyone. Likely, the type of people to do that would practice polyamory IRL, even if closeted, if they could find the right partner. Regardless, why does it matter what someone would or wouldn't do IRL? I wouldn't do 75% of the things my characters do. If you would do all the same things your character would, you're not role-playing, you're inserting yourself into a fantasy universe.

Mod note by FreelanceWizard: I removed an accusation from the first line of this post to help keep the thread civil.

Edvyn · **12-24-2014, 04:07 PM**

(12-24-2014, 04:06 PM)Faye Wrote: But to give an answer in vain: Does it really matter? If someone wants to ERP everyone and call it polyamory, more power to 'em. I don't see why it should really matter to anyone. Likely, the type of people to do that would practice polyamory IRL, even if closeted, if they could find the right partner. Regardless, why does it matter what someone would or wouldn't do IRL? I wouldn't do 75% of the things my characters do. If you would do all the same things your character would, you're not role-playing, you're inserting yourself into a fantasy universe.

i am bringing up an actual concern - namely that there are people who use polyamory as an excuse rather than a storytelling device

it doesn't matter what someone would/wouldn't do irl, I am questioning people's intent in rping "polyamory" as I have seen far too many cases in my years spent in other games/sites of creepy straight dudes playing lesbians that sleep with everyone and aggressively seek out people to erp with - even if those people don't want to erp with them. these dudes almost definitely wouldn't practice polyamory irl, some I've dealt with actively opposed it.

is it wrong to find an ethical problem in genuine sexualities/sexual practices being exploited by horny nerds looking for cheap imaginary sex?

Mod note by FreelanceWizard: Removed some quoted text that I excised from the thread.

Zetchryn · **12-24-2014, 04:14 PM**

(12-24-2014, 04:05 PM)Edvyn Wrote: how many people who rp polyamory would actually do it irl? in my own experience, people have used polyamory as a way to deflect criticism regarding their poorly-written/poorly-played erp characters

*OP practices/has done it in real life*
*I myself have done it IRL*

Trust me, this thread is not about that, this thread is about how to PROPERLY portray Polyamory.

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