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Naunet · **01-15-2015, 08:14 PM**

(01-15-2015, 06:10 PM)Telluride Wrote: Ok, I could discuss Rift and WoW, too, but of the games I have ever played that OFFERED Houses (I left TOR just as they introduced theirs), it was never quite the cause for stress that FFXIV makes it.

Add WS to the list of "everyone gets their own for practically free". But... SE's stupidity on housing is an entirely different, if perhaps tangentially related discussion.

Moral of the story: Their servers are crap and they're either ignorant of it or they're under some weird impression that because they're Final Fantasy, they can make people suffer unnecessary restrictions.

Of course the number of people who encourage others to actually pay SE money for the privilege of SE greatly inconveniencing them (read: pay to transfer server to get on the one you want) is rather staggering, so...

Kellach Woods · **01-15-2015, 08:24 PM**

At this point I'd say it's a waste of money to even sub to this game if you want to RP on Balmung and do not yet have a character on the server.

I want new people in.

I don't want them to suffer having to get in.

SE ain't doing jack shit to solve it. Only open windows are pre-post Maintenance until that too gets locked (I'm expecting either 3.0 or even last portion of 2.5 for that).

Ruinfeild · **01-16-2015, 06:22 AM**

I would like to let everyone know for those who are looking to get on Balmung even with the character restriction, I transferred my main from Gilga over to Balmung with ease. So apparently it only counts when you are trying to make alts(course I don't know how many are either trying to transfer or make new characters)

Blue · **01-16-2015, 07:03 AM**

(01-16-2015, 06:22 AM)Ruinfeild Wrote: I would like to let everyone know for those who are looking to get on Balmung even with the character restriction, I transferred my main from Gilga over to Balmung with ease. So apparently it only counts when you are trying to make alts(course I don't know how many are either trying to transfer or make new characters)

Yes, it's what we were talking about. People feel it's unfair to have to pay the extra fee to transfer.

Honestly, I wish SE would keep their promise made back in the 1.0 days and release an official RP server, offering free transfers to it. I'd rush there in a blink, even if that meant losing our current FC house. So tired of my RP-griefing neighbors...

Ilwe'ran · **01-16-2015, 07:46 AM**

(01-15-2015, 05:44 PM)Naunet Wrote:
(01-15-2015, 08:00 AM)Cavistus Wrote:
(01-15-2015, 07:19 AM)Blue Wrote: make the character on another server and then transfer to Balmung for a fee.

That's it, I'm out. Nope.

Honestly? This is the wisest decision. SE won't choose to get non-paleolithic lobby servers unless people refuse to give them extra money for making it almost impossible to make a character.

There will always be people transfering and always be people creating characters, so one person refusing to transfert or to sub won't change a thing and as they don't know that X people didn't transfert / sub for this reason. And because they didn't contacted the support or else, they will care even less and have less reason to know about it.
I still don't understand how this topic, which began more or less as an attempt to find an answer, became more a SE grrr grrr topÃ®c.
I'll sound like an old woman repeating the same sentences constantly but.. Here we go : SE doesn't read the board. The majority of the community doesn't read the board. The majority of the RPC doesn't read that topic.
One person not transfering and / or ten people angry at SE on a topic read by so few people will have no impact at all. The only thing that will happen is that the most this topic will go on, the most people will arouse each other's anger and even stray away from the initial topic.

Ilwe'ran · **01-16-2015, 08:03 AM**

Oh. btw.

BALMUNG IS OPEN

Kellach Woods · **01-16-2015, 08:39 AM**

(01-16-2015, 07:46 AM)Ilwe Wrote: I still don't understand how this topic, which began more or less as an attempt to find an answer, became more a SE grrr grrr topÃ®c.
I'll sound like an old woman repeating the same sentences constantly but.. Here we go : SE doesn't read the board. The majority of the community doesn't read the board. The majority of the RPC doesn't read that topic.

SE doesn't even read their own boards. Support for this game is one of the worst I've experienced throughout all MMOs combined.

There are angry people. I'm personally one of them because I think the restriction is outright silly and the workarounds are dubious at best. I am also not a fan of rewarding SE with a character transfer sale for having 1990's toasters running their login server.

What you're essentially saying is that nobody should ever be angry and vent that anger about this situation.

Kage · **01-16-2015, 08:43 AM**

Well that's a blatant lie so.. /shrug

Kellach Woods · **01-16-2015, 08:52 AM**

What part?

Also I've had a theory that 2.4 might have knocked a few screws loose in the login server, which would explain why maint is the most reliable window.

Source : I've seen dumber things happen in Network Performance QA.

Ilwe'ran · **01-16-2015, 09:10 AM**

(01-16-2015, 08:39 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote:
(01-16-2015, 07:46 AM)Ilwe Wrote: I still don't understand how this topic, which began more or less as an attempt to find an answer, became more a SE grrr grrr topÃ®c.
I'll sound like an old woman repeating the same sentences constantly but.. Here we go : SE doesn't read the board. The majority of the community doesn't read the board. The majority of the RPC doesn't read that topic.

SE doesn't even read their own boards. Support for this game is one of the worst I've experienced throughout all MMOs combined.

There are angry people. I'm personally one of them because I think the restriction is outright silly and the workarounds are dubious at best. I am also not a fan of rewarding SE with a character transfer sale for having 1990's toasters running their login server.

What you're essentially saying is that nobody should ever be angry and vent that anger about this situation.

You modified your message way after he answered.

SE read the board or they would never answer to any topic.

And what I'm saying is venting your anger is completely useless on that board. If you're angry, make it useful, contact the support, talk where SE can read you and provide an answer to you.
I'm saying this since at least 3 messages and I even add this : Beside getting more angry and frustrated because people don't all have the same point of view and having your point of view on them changing in a negative or positive way depending if they agree with you or not. Does that topic make you less angry or frustrated ? Does it change anything ?
I don't think so. Hence why I'm encouraging you since long to talk with people who can, at least hear you and change something. I said long ago that I understand people anger, but not to who you direct it. So.. Read my messages entirely please. Not only a small bit which was not even writen.

And to say that I'm not just a useless parrot who does nothing for helping.. I tried to contact the support myself for asking but got no luck with the online chat.. I'm also announcing when Balmung is open.. I searched for some other SE related message but didn't found any more recent.. I'm not angry.. I'm trying to help and to encourage people to talk to the right person.. That's all.

Naunet · **01-16-2015, 09:17 AM**

Telling people not to share their feelings with others on a forum is rather silly.

Ilwe'ran · **01-16-2015, 09:27 AM**

(01-16-2015, 09:17 AM)Naunet Wrote: Telling people not to share their feelings with others on a forum is rather silly.

Okay, I'm silly Smile

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Good luck with all this.
*Close the topic and won't even come back here again*

No Longer Exists · **01-16-2015, 09:32 AM**

Ladies and Gentlespoons, as the OP, I would appreciate it if the conversation dulled back down to a civil roar.

Naunet is correct, it's inappropriate to tell people on the community forum to curb their feelings because it does no good. Talking it out always helps.

So please, watch the tone. I've noticed a few "I'm tired of reading this" style replies, folks turning away from being kind in an effort to be direct and I honestly think all that's been said is all there is to be said on the subject. If the outraged want to let out their frustrations, I'm cool with it. No one is being forced to read this thread, after all.

Cheers.

Kage · **01-16-2015, 09:56 AM**

(01-16-2015, 08:52 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: What part?

Seeing as you wrote it, you know what part. The part as it was before you edited way after I posted?

Employees (in some way or form) of SE reads its own forums that it has. You may not like what they respond to but they do. Hence, your statement was, is, and continues to be a lie.

And if this is to become another vent-at-SE thread, make it so. As it is, people do not agree with either the idea that staying logged in is the issue or that this is the thread, forums, place to vent about it.

Cavistus · **01-18-2015, 02:28 PM**

Despite what people may think, it is quite possible that AFKers are a part of the problem.

Just warping into Limsa, I'm greeted with this.

http://puu.sh/eH4uh/1b5950658f.jpg

There are so many people AFK that I am actually unable to fit all of them in this single screenshot. In total, there are 16 people AFK sitting outside of the Aetheryte.

Taking not but a few steps into Hawker's Alley, I'm greeted with this.

http://puu.sh/eH5st/f784b0feb8.jpg

Coming to a grand total of 27 people AFK all within walking distance of each other. That's not including people in other parts of the town, or people who choose to hide their AFK status.

And that's only one city, in one part of one town, during one hour of one day.

That being said, I don't know their reason, nor for how long or how often they go AFK. However, those people likely would have disconnected if there was some form of AFK disconnection, and that's, at the absolute bare least, upwards of 27 places where the server congestion would have decreased. Even over the course of an hour, that adds up remarkably fast.

As for the arguements going on in this thread...

I don't think OP made this thread to denounce people who go AFK, nor did they make this thread with the hope that SE would read it or do anything to remedy the issue.

I believe the OP wanted to discuss their opinion of the issue, looking for opinions as to whether or not people should log off if they're going AFK for an extended period of time in order to free up a bit of the congestion, even if it's only a handful of people.

It's more of a way to discuss and work together in order to remedy an issue in whatever way possible, even if that way may not make a big difference.

People say "you shouldn't vent about that here because it won't do anything". Sure, because that isn't the goal of "venting". In all honesty, even walking up to SE headquarters and filing a complaint in person won't do anything. SE is a Japanese company, and unless you speak Japanese, the likelihood of someone with true authority at SE hearing your opinion, let alone acting on it, is abysmally miniscule.

But that wasn't the point of the thread to begin with.

Also, I didn't quit the game, I simply gave up trying to join an RP community.

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