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Lament · **09-12-2013, 12:55 AM**

I don't need to believe or acknowledge someone's character's claim of killing Ifrit, but whether my character will is another story entirely. If it would fit the character to call another character a lunatic, then by all means.

C'io Behkt · **09-12-2013, 12:59 AM**

(09-12-2013, 12:22 AM)Lament Wrote: With an IC excuse, I say go for it. But unless you're a summoner, who pretty much needs an IC excuse to actually be one, or otherwise formerly part of a group who would have a reason to have been in the presence of a Primal at some point or another (e.g. part of a tempered community), I'd say skip it.

I think it is also fair to claim to have bested a Primal -with- a Summoner. Like say I'm a Summoner (I am), but my friend wants to have roleplayed having helped me in taking down Ifrit -- I think that is perfectly okay too!

Also, I find the conversation you guys are having about the difference between "a primal" and "the primal" really odd. Anyone on Eorzea who says they've defeated a primal can only ever speak of defeating its summoned manifestation: in no way can an Eorzean ever destroy a Primal permanently. This is because the Primal's true essence exists in the "lifestream," which is beyond the reach of mortals.

Aleister · **09-12-2013, 01:08 AM**

(09-11-2013, 11:49 AM)Siobhain Wrote:
(09-11-2013, 11:40 AM)Zarek Wrote: While I think (with an accompanying epic tale) it's okay to say you've fought a primal (and no, not just you alone, I mean a large group of people when I say you) and beaten them back one of many times...I would (personally) say it's a bit much to IC-ly have the primal furniture.

Primals are supposed to be a realistically terrifying thing that trained magic users (summoners) are only able to control a fraction of. When normal, non-adventuring types encounter primals, they're forever changed and have to effectively be 'put down' as it were. So, I'd think housing a trophy piece of a creature like that, while it might make a great talking centerpiece, would kind of serve to downplay the very real threat they present to everyone they come into contact with.

Â I have to agree with Zarek. I mean, I'm thinking of people with stuffed predators in their houses and I could see why it would bring them some sense of pride or something... but a Primal isn't a lion or a tiger or a bear (oh my!).

Â You're also desecrating what's virtually a god to the beastmen, terrible as they may be. There might be some people who'd appreciate such a thing but it seems you wouldn't want to remind all of your FC or LS members who they might've lost or what they might've sacrificed in defeating a Primal.

Â Another thing- I'm not sure about the summoned Primals, but if it were summoned and it wasn't -THE- Ifrit, wouldn't it... dissolve or something? I'm assuming there's like one Ifrit and when they summon it, it's merely an aspect of the same Ifrit, but then, I guess there must be numerous Carbuncles and such.

I'm really just not sure about that so I'd like some clarification if anyone has it.

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Lament · **09-12-2013, 01:11 AM**

@C'io:

I think Summoners have plenty of IC reasons to take part in the killing of Primals - heck, you could even justify one obsessing over the next time Titan is going to show up so they can use its Egi, that sort of thing. So I agree!

A player could choose to disregard the lore and make the claim that their character killed the actual Primal. And then I would choose to disregard the player, as far as RP is concerned - I wouldn't react ICly to it because it's an OOC decision, not a player purposefully making their character claim to have done (what the player acknowledges as) the impossible. And I prefer to RP within the lore, myself, even if it does need to be twisted a bit sometimes (e.g. to explain the existence of multiple WHM even though the game says you're the first one in ages, that sort of thing).

C'io Behkt · **09-12-2013, 01:21 AM**

(09-12-2013, 01:08 AM)Aleister Wrote: How do I enable the spoiler thing? I'm not sure how to do it? And I don't wanna say spoilers without having that spoiler thing on it. (If what I said above is spoilers, asap tell me how to hide it! DX)

Use this tag, [ spoiler ] [ / spoiler ] only without the spaces, Smile

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(09-12-2013, 01:11 AM)Lament Wrote: @C'io:

I think Summoners have plenty of IC reasons to take part in the killing of Primals - heck, you could even justify one obsessing over the next time Titan is going to show up so they can use its Egi, that sort of thing. So I agree!

A player could choose to disregard the lore and make the claim that their character killed the actual Primal. And then I would choose to disregard the player, as far as RP is concerned - I wouldn't react ICly to it because it's an OOC decision, not a player purposefully making their character claim to have done (what the player acknowledges as) the impossible. And I prefer to RP within the lore, myself, even if it does need to be twisted a bit sometimes (e.g. to explain the existence of multiple WHM even though the game says you're the first one in ages, that sort of thing).

I see what you mean now. If someone went to C'io and told her that they had killed THE Primal, she'd politely inform them of the metaphysics involved and how a permanent slaying of any Primal is impossible. She'd see it more as someone misinformed/uninformed rather than someone utterly mad.

Personally, I want Ramuh-egi, >_>

Lament · **09-12-2013, 01:25 AM**

I think it'd be fun to see how characters would react IC to an impossible claim. Mine probably don't know nearly enough about Primals to make informed comments, so they would probably think it very much like a fisherman talking about catching one, nay, TEN sharks!

But if the player is the one insisting that their character vanquished THE Primal, whoops I left a cake in the oven...

KitKat · **09-12-2013, 01:26 AM**

(09-12-2013, 12:45 AM)DAISHI Wrote: Hell, one person I knew claimed to be a Chocobo

If I ever get my hands on the chocobo outfit that the porters use, I'm totally pretending that my character's the chocobo and her chocobo is the adventurer. White mage barding!Â Cool

((this is meant to be taken in jest. I would not -actually- RP as a chocobo, but I would dress as one!))

Aleister · **09-12-2013, 01:32 AM**

(09-12-2013, 01:25 AM)Lament Wrote: I think it'd be fun to see how characters would react IC to an impossible claim. Mine probably don't know nearly enough about Primals to make informed comments, so they would probably think it very much like a fisherman talking about catching one, nay, TEN sharks!

But if the player is the one insisting that their character vanquished THE Primal, whoops I left a cake in the oven...

Pretty much the same as my character.. heck even saying that they slayed A primal my guy would probably laugh and play along sarcastically and afterwards just kinda maybe depending on how the conversation goes... scoot away and kindly ignore them.

C'io Behkt · **09-12-2013, 01:34 AM**

(09-12-2013, 01:32 AM)Aleister Wrote: Pretty much the same as my character.. heck even saying that they slayed A primal my guy would probably laugh and play along sarcastically and afterwards just kinda maybe depending on how the conversation goes... scoot away and kindly ignore them.

And what about when you see the egi? Wink

Which, while a playful statement, actually is a legitimate concern, I think. Personally, I don't intend to (yet, we'll see) go beyond Ifrit. The canon on Titan and Garuda is far too tight.

Naunet · **09-12-2013, 01:39 AM**

(09-12-2013, 01:34 AM)C Wrote:
(09-12-2013, 01:32 AM)Aleister Wrote: Pretty much the same as my character.. heck even saying that they slayed A primal my guy would probably laugh and play along sarcastically and afterwards just kinda maybe depending on how the conversation goes... scoot away and kindly ignore them.

And what about when you see the egi?

Yeah, I don't think slaying primals is the kind of thing where one needs to break out the haughty "You can't do that" schtick.

Aleister · **09-12-2013, 01:44 AM**

(09-12-2013, 01:34 AM)C Wrote:
(09-12-2013, 01:32 AM)Aleister Wrote: Pretty much the same as my character.. heck even saying that they slayed A primal my guy would probably laugh and play along sarcastically and afterwards just kinda maybe depending on how the conversation goes... scoot away and kindly ignore them.

And what about when you see the egi?

Which, while a playful statement, actually is a legitimate concern, I think. Personally, I don't intend to (yet, we'll see) go beyond Ifrit. The canon on Titan and Garuda is far too tight.

Egi is kind of the proof right there which you can't really go saying "I DUN'T BELIEVE YOU."

DAISHI · **09-12-2013, 01:46 AM**

Let me take it the other direction. If very RPer claims to kills Primals then regardless of in game Lore, my character would cease to be impressed. I'd have a casual indifference to the cla because everyone I know kills Primals. I'd be like... Ok so what. Because role players have de facto already created an alternative lore on the basis of their overwhelming claims. This is a problem you the individual role player didn't intend to create, but is almost inevitable if multitudes can make the claim.

Aleister · **09-12-2013, 01:49 AM**

(09-12-2013, 01:39 AM)Naunet Wrote:
(09-12-2013, 01:34 AM)C Wrote:
(09-12-2013, 01:32 AM)Aleister Wrote: Pretty much the same as my character.. heck even saying that they slayed A primal my guy would probably laugh and play along sarcastically and afterwards just kinda maybe depending on how the conversation goes... scoot away and kindly ignore them.

And what about when you see the egi?

Yeah, I don't think slaying primals is the kind of thing where one needs to break out the haughty "You can't do that" schtick.

I ever say that? I could read on how someone slayed a primal OOC and if its legit and nothing really mary sue I'll respect it but IC no way would my character (Aleister at least) would believe anyone just up and saying they killed a primal cause anyone can say that. My character can believe it after knowing the person long enough and either getting a type of proof or just feel that they aren't lying about it. Its not me saying you can't do that its just me saying in character I don't believe you.

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C'io Behkt · **09-12-2013, 01:51 AM**

(09-12-2013, 01:44 AM)Aleister Wrote: Egi is kind of the proof right there which you can't really go saying "I DUN'T BELIEVE YOU."

Right? Which I know will bring me at odds against my belief that taking down Titan or Garuda would be a much more Herculean effort than taking down Ifrit. I actually don't know yet how I'll handle someone showing me Titan-egi or Garuda-egi, -_-.

Aleister · **09-12-2013, 01:54 AM**

(09-12-2013, 01:51 AM)C Wrote:
(09-12-2013, 01:44 AM)Aleister Wrote: Egi is kind of the proof right there which you can't really go saying "I DUN'T BELIEVE YOU."

Right? Which I know will bring me at odds against my belief that taking down Titan or Garuda would be a much more Herculean effort than taking down Ifrit. I actually don't know yet how I'll handle someone showing me Titan-egi or Garuda-egi, -_-.

Yeah me personally I would have a really big issue with seeing a titan-egi or a garuda-egi in RP unless the guy's RP was legit in how he obtained it cause those two primals.. Oh boy they make Ifrit look like a kid derping about in a fish net.. ESPECIALLY post-game haha.

Just saying in general.. If I were to choose to have in my character's story about him facing a primal (I thought about it) It would be that he almost got tempered but a dear friend leaped in the way and saved Aleister by letting him get tempered but I don't know how that would work out? Cause.. it could possibly go right straight through people and continue hitting others? -shrug-

Poll: Do you think it's okay to kill a Primal ICly? You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
Primals can be killed ICly	76.67%	23	76.67%
Primals can't be killed ICly	23.33%	7	23.33%
Total		30 vote(s)	100%

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