(10-01-2014, 07:23 AM)Enteris Wrote: You can't force someone to learn...
You're entirely correct. It's not an issue of enforcing rules or being elitist an such. It's an issue of actual role playing community members turning a blind eye as described by another poster below.
I'm a very calm person when dealing with such an issue. In all my experiences I calmly explain to them why I think what they are doing is wrong, how it's affecting me, and what lasting affects it can have. Almost always I get the excuse of; "well I'm new to role play and/or am a light role player". To which I don't have an answer and the best solution is to simply walk away. However; that also has a negative affect. Since the person in question may tell others, OOC that I'm difficult, don't like them, or any other such affect.
You may say, but that doesn't matter, plenty of role playing fish in the sea. Unfortunately in the grand scheme of things, role playing communities are small, even smaller when your regular role playing group stages in a particular area (the Quicksand for example). A player taking IC into OOC can have a huge negative impact in small communities like this.
I hope this clears up my plea to enthuse role play leaders and prominent role players, particularly in role play hotspots to be pro-active in stopping this. I'm not saying you need to run around slapping people with a ultimate role players rulebook, a simple explanation of when this happens and they identify it helps all of us.
In Example B (since it took place in FFXIV and therefor is applicable), while the event happened, another FC member supported the officer's actions (even as they unfolded in FC Chat). Both officers visit Hydraelyn Roleplayers and both officers I believe have read some of the material on here. I even took the other officer aside and quoted parts of our own role playing handbook regarding gil in in-character events. They argued with me otherwise stating the convention on the handling of IC into OOC is normal and common but further supported the actions of the senior guild officer with the excuse that "They are very helpful to everyone and has done a lot for everyone".
In other words their message to me was "This person using IC as OOC and taking it into OOC is alright because this person is not only very experienced with the game, but has a lot of resources and helps various people". Which I think is wrong and not conducive to a healthy role play community.
(10-01-2014, 07:30 AM)Foxling Wrote:(10-01-2014, 06:59 AM)Michelleswain Wrote: -They tend to have multiple maxed out characters. Have maxed out most if not all professions (gathering-crafting), are top tier, and are mostly into the raiding scene. It may take a bit of effort to even get them to role-play if at all.
I'm just going to pull this part up for citation. It just seems like a really weird thing to make assumptions over especially when there are people on the larger servers from a variety of different timezones. Not to mention, RPers actually playing the game to take a break from writing? Colour me surprised.
Also that wording on the last line, just makes it sound as though you've tried to get people who aren't interested in RPing to try to do it.
Thank you for bringing this up. I clarified a little bit more how this is not always the case, but I use it when combined with other checks and balances I take. However allow me to elaborate on this issue.
-All- the problems I have had, have almost always been with a player that is really into the game and not necessarily the lore or persona of your character. In other words; their accomplishments in game trumps any small or big accomplishment your character may have performed through background, persona build up, characterization, or in-game accomplishment/IC hybrids. Because you don't have all of the achievements, unlocks, time-in-service, Tier grade equipment, max rank characters, etcetera, your character as a "character" is insignificant to them. That's not to say such actions can't be used In Character (and I welcome them because I sometimes use game achievements in my RP as well) but they should be framed within the scope of the event and not used as a god-modding, OOC tool.
Example A: Jim went out and got the Tier 12 Sword of Kill Everything. A very difficult thing to get in the game. Jane is only Tier 10. When we role play together the prudent thing to say is "Yes Jane, obtaining this sword was difficult and took a lot of blood sweat and tears", not "Sorry Jane, you're Tier 10, doubt you'll ever have this sword".
Example B: Jane is the highest Tier in the game, knows all the dungeons, pretty much knows everything about the game. Jim is an upstart character both IC and OOC. But IC Jim has a bit of knowledge of a particular empire or organization and as such specializes in them. When Jane confronts Jim, Jane becomes offended OOC that Jim has more knowledge about a particular race/kingdom/organization than Jane had (perhaps Jim focused on a particular topic). Jane then refuses to help Jim with a quest or game-feature because she felt offended by Jim.
I can come up with various other examples but it would teeter into Meta-gaming territory which is a monster all on it's own.
Now then, to conclude; I would never make a hasty generalization about a player without having a few sessions with them or asking politely OOC about their stance on the topic. Just because they're a high tier player and have the whole game mastered is not necessarily a red flag without them tripping other warning signs.
