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The miners are established very early in 1.0 storylines as being tough mothers. The miner's guild back then wasn't just a business; it was also a bar and a stripclub/maybesortawhorehouse? The people who worked and drank there were the grumpiest, rough-and-tough sorts of fellows who had nothing to go home to, so they drank away their pay. That kind of atmosphere.
The miners walk into the room and everyone, everyone, shuts up. They're badasses.
I'm content to accept that, if an individual really does do nothing all day except train physically, that they would reach an impressive level of powers. The twins (are they twins? Tired of calling them miners all the time!) work all day. It's completely expected that they're tough as nails.
Anybody throwing anybody that far, that hard, that fast, is impossible to take seriously though. Hurling a grown person twenty~ feet through the air?
This always comes back to my biggest crux with "well they trained really hard" though. What happens when a roe does the same training? How strong can they get? What's the upper limit on possible? If someone RPs their all-I-do-is-bench-press-aldgots-24/7 lalafell as an incredibly potent pintsized powerhouse, what happens when someone RPs a roe all-I-do-is-bench-press-behemoths-24/7 decides to punch someone?
Reason for the debate is simple: I want to know how serious a threat I should treat an unarmed lalafell throwing a punch at my fuckhueg highlander.
Thank you, Sounsyy. Was afraid of that.
You're 100% right, but I expect "don't be a dick" to go both ways. A lala's course of attack should never be throwing their opponent, especially from a dead lift, especially from the waist.
This is a valid, interesting point since I'd forgotten they did in fact fight a lot of NPCs. These two ARE in training under Hammon, so it stands to reason that once they're done they'll be capable of fighting Titan while blind.
Jealousy is being able to see what's on the top shelf without jumping.
(10-08-2014, 01:14 PM)Kage Wrote:(10-08-2014, 01:09 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: I already conceded that everyone knew those specific lalafell were badasses.So... do we get to pick and choose whose character are "badasses"?
I very much granted do not know 1.0 lore. But you say they're badasses. Who's to say that most lalafell fighting aren't badasses? Were they badasses because they were good fighters or just because they were lalafell badasses?
Do specific races get "badass" added to their sheet because of race chosen?
The miners are established very early in 1.0 storylines as being tough mothers. The miner's guild back then wasn't just a business; it was also a bar and a stripclub/maybesortawhorehouse? The people who worked and drank there were the grumpiest, rough-and-tough sorts of fellows who had nothing to go home to, so they drank away their pay. That kind of atmosphere.
The miners walk into the room and everyone, everyone, shuts up. They're badasses.
(10-08-2014, 01:20 PM)Gaspard Wrote: What makes that scene with those specific lalafells a comedic punchline? It is a display of immense strength, yes. But from the music playing in the background, to the dialogue, up to the execution, nothing is quite in the same vein as the 'Hildebrandt' questline.
Moreso, let's just for the sake of argument go with the notion that the strength of these Lalafells does not automatically lead to the conclusion that all lalafells as a race must, by default, be able to do this. You still have proof that it is possible for a Lalafell infact to gain this strength as a fighter/warrior, bare-handed. Considering you wont face NPC's or commoners in RP fights, it'll be up to each player themselves to deduct the level of strength his particular Lalafell has. But he has Lore grounds to support it through that example.
Also, Adventurer raises another good example of a Lalafells capability for brute strength being displayed. Even if we agree on the fact that not all Lalafells by default have the inherent strength of a Roegadyn, you have to admit at this point that it's very possible for a Lalafell to achieve said strength.
Which in general makes me wonder for the actual reason for this..debate, I mean, it wont urge people to play their lalafells differently.
I'm content to accept that, if an individual really does do nothing all day except train physically, that they would reach an impressive level of powers. The twins (are they twins? Tired of calling them miners all the time!) work all day. It's completely expected that they're tough as nails.
Anybody throwing anybody that far, that hard, that fast, is impossible to take seriously though. Hurling a grown person twenty~ feet through the air?
This always comes back to my biggest crux with "well they trained really hard" though. What happens when a roe does the same training? How strong can they get? What's the upper limit on possible? If someone RPs their all-I-do-is-bench-press-aldgots-24/7 lalafell as an incredibly potent pintsized powerhouse, what happens when someone RPs a roe all-I-do-is-bench-press-behemoths-24/7 decides to punch someone?
Reason for the debate is simple: I want to know how serious a threat I should treat an unarmed lalafell throwing a punch at my fuckhueg highlander.
(10-08-2014, 01:28 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: stuff and things
Thank you, Sounsyy. Was afraid of that.
(10-08-2014, 01:39 PM)Roswyn Wrote: Honestly, at the end of the day as far as actual RP goes I think the "don't be a dick" rule comes into play here.
Are you really going to tell your friend playing a Lalafel he "can't" do something because of his size? Is it really worth it?
Answer is no imo.
You're 100% right, but I expect "don't be a dick" to go both ways. A lala's course of attack should never be throwing their opponent, especially from a dead lift, especially from the waist.
(10-08-2014, 01:40 PM)Verad Wrote:(10-08-2014, 01:39 PM)Melkire Wrote: I like how absolutely no one in this thread remembers the names of Chuchuto and Rurukuta, the Lalafells of Ul'dah's pugilist guild.
GG, PGLs and MNKs of RPC. GG.
My own input: the difference between a Lalafell's strength and a Highlander's is not negligible, but it isn't insurmountable, either, as Chuchuto and Rurukuta perform remarkably well against Midlanders and Highlanders.
I think they were glossed over as being "in training" at some point.
This is a valid, interesting point since I'd forgotten they did in fact fight a lot of NPCs. These two ARE in training under Hammon, so it stands to reason that once they're done they'll be capable of fighting Titan while blind.
(10-08-2014, 01:43 PM)Kinono Wrote: Lalafell can also jump 7 feet straight-up into the air with no build-up.
I think this entire thread is made up of jealous people!
You're all jealous!
Jealousy is being able to see what's on the top shelf without jumping.
I warned you.
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