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(11-20-2014, 08:03 PM)Edgar Wrote: It was a joke based on one of your prior statements.It's on-topic enough. Every thread is going to have its tangents, and this is one of them (especially this thread, even). Let the Great Wizard be the final arbiter of that.
Zyrusticae Wrote:The whole thing with non-mammalian mammaries really ticks me off.Â
I mean, you're not even trying at that point. It's completely lazy to the point of being insulting. If you're gonna do non-human races at all you better do it right! (Hence why I love Iksar and Asura so much more than I do, say, Argonians...)
However, the rest of that post...I wanted to cite artists like SYRSA who use breasts for all kinds of purposes in their work, but I know, in your head, if you slap tits on a nonhuman, it's "lazy" and "insulting", so I'm not even going to bother. I recognize a quest of futility when I see it.
I will, however, point out that by stating you know what the right way to do non-humans is, you are opening up a can of worms, because that in and of itself is a whole 'nother argument, one not on-topic for this thread.
Anyway, it seems you misunderstand something. I don't simply mean all non-humans, but I do mean all non-human non-mammals. And yes, I do consider it lazy because, look, if you want to stick tits on something, it's easy. REALLY easy. It takes absolutely no thought at all. It's done all the time on a very regular basis. I pretty much consider it lazy (and by extension, an insult of my intelligence) for the same reasons I consider the ubiquitous bikini armor lazy: it's EVERYWHERE, and it's only done for really base sexual appeal and that's it. It's extremely transparent and no one of sound mind is getting fooled by that.
It's not that I have something against boobs or sex appeal per se. No, of course not. As Jancis pointed out, I even have my character kitted out in said bikini armor. But the thing is, that was just one choice I could have made of many - and there are many, many ways you can try to make something non-human appealing without immediately trying to appeal to the male (and homosexual female) libido. And that's a LOT more difficult and challenging than just sticking boobs on her and calling it a day.
It's also a problem of representation - you know adult women with extremely small (or even nonexistent) breasts exist, right? In large numbers, even? Now try counting up the number of video games out there that let you play one, or even include one as a side character. Now try counting up the number of games that do so where the female character in question isn't (or doesn't resemble) a child. It's not pretty. Even moreso when you consider that a lot of said women are of the athletic variety that really, really should be used as a reference for body shapes more often but for some reason are not.
That, honestly, makes me angry. There's a really nasty undercurrent here that suggests that grown women just can't possibly be attractive or noteworthy unless they have breasts. Usually big ones. (And while I'm at it, this is particularly annoying considering that over half of all men find very small breasts sexually attractive, making it particularly unnecessary.)
So, you know... I want less lazy, thoughtless mammary spam in games and more thought, more nuance, more variety. Hell, it would be nice if more developers simply acknowledged that we exist. We already have big breasts stretching as far as and well beyond the horizon at this point, so what's the harm in trying something different, eh? How bad can it be, really?
In short,
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That's all.
(11-20-2014, 08:03 PM)Edgar Wrote: I can actually tell the difference. It's pretty easy for me. Though, my Lala, Koporo Aporo, has been called a girl both OOCly and ICly multiple freaking times, so I must be gifted or something.Well... yeah.