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(12-22-2014, 03:00 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:(12-22-2014, 02:51 PM)Naunet Wrote: Y'know, now that I think about it, I think I would have preferred if the guys had been designed in a way that conformed to the girls. There are no dainty, fragile, non-muscle-bound men in this game. This would have been an excellent opportunity.Except that he didn't say they look the same, he said that there isn't much of a difference -- and compared what differences there were to the differences seen in the males and females of the other races. As for the big male/tiny female overplayed trope: it's standard, it's part of their art style and it isn't going to change unless someone who wants to change it gets in there and changes it!
But nope.
(12-22-2014, 02:50 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: If you're unsure then you probably didn't read the post properly. He broke it down element by element and basically demonstrated that it's no more of a big deal than any of the other races.
No, I read his post quite thoroughly. And I disagree on pretty much every assertion. They do not look the same. I'll also point out that one of the chief complaints is that "big male/tiny female" is an overplayed design trope, so attempting to point out other races that may conform to it doesn't exactly do the defense much good.
(12-22-2014, 05:26 PM)Aya Wrote: Alright then.. but that's basically tautology. You can only change something by changing it, that's true. But that doesn't mean that people cannot have, express, and discuss their varied opinions on something without someone implying, "if you don't like it, you should do something about it."ÂI quoted my own post here so that I -- as well as anyone else -- could see exactly what I said. Nowhere did I imply 'if don't like it, you should do something about it'. No. It's not my place to tell people those things, and I would not.
Everyone has different opinions, and perhaps just as importantly, different weights of importance that they give to their opinions. I do not understand why discussion threads such as these devolve into the validity of opinions, that is not something that should even come up, let alone crop up in virtually every discussion thread that appears on this forum any more.
I said, it isn't going to change until someone who wants to change it gets in there and changes it.
Because I can't tell you what to do.
I did not invalidate anyone's opinions, silence anyone, tell anyone to go make their own game. I stated something that is true. An irritating and uncomfortable truth for some, which is why I can understand the heated -- and awfully presumptuous -- responses.Â
"Huh, that wall's color isn't going to change until someone paints it!"
"ARGH, I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE TELLING ME THAT I SHOULD GO AND PAINT THE WALL."
Again, people are used to catty, awful meanness on the internet and tend to have their guards and hackles up AND the claws out, ready to retaliate -- so the responses didn't surprise me. But yeah, it's true. THEY are perfectly capable of changing it, but it's not what they want, so they won't. Not to mention the majority of players don't seem to really object to the style. We're a minority after all, us roleplayers. For myself, I have no problem with it because I'm waiting to see why the race is as they are before saying anything -- and if there's no lore reason, I know full well that it's the style of the franchise and hey, I'm okay with it! They're beautiful models, and as characters I'm sure they're capable of being strong, willful and goddamned great.
I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's opinion. I'm stating the reality of things, and placing a bit of my own opinion in there as commentary.
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