Quick sidenote:
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Reply to Rain
Alright, agree to disagree indeed then. I personally encourage people to check out this site, people I am close to, yet they have their own reasons not to bother. Since we're not speaking on anyones behalf, I'll avoid listing some reasons I've heard. So, that's why to me your points don't hit the mark. That and maybe I've heard the message of 'we should all be friends, we should RP with more people, we should have a united community' one too many times. That to me needs no reiteration, since that's pretty much all I've heard.
And there is no need to define self-centered for me, I believe my competence in this language is good enough to know what it means. If I didn't, I'd look it up myself (as I often do). Note though, that in the quote you pulled up from my original post, I never did say you are self-centered. Yet you said in reply:
I see how, if I was quoting you, you could interpret that the way you did, yet I wasn't. I don't think anyone should assume, going forward, that someone is indirectly responding to them or hinting at them or winking at them or nodding to them or w/e... Unless it's quoted/stated outright, don't assume. Think about it this way, if I wanted to respond to a point you made specifically, why wouldn't I quote it in reference? Furthermore you accused me of misconstruing your post, when I never even quoted a single line from it. That's a pretty heavy charge to toss around basing it on nothing but an assumption.
My point was counter to the general idea that we should all RP together, Verence mentioned a similar point in his post:
Anyway that's all for my reply... I hope we got things more or less ironed out and can move on.
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The devil in the details
I do have a question about your proposal, Rain. Here is what is what you made clear is happening in the game already (correct me if I am wrong): Friendships are being made, RP storylines are happening, Cross-LS RP is present, big events happen, in general there is RP to be found.
Your answer to increasing activity on the RPC seems to be to strengthen in-game community cohesion and increase RP between people who usually don't RP with each other.
Is that the general gist of it? If I got it wrong, correct me.
If community = RPC, how do you bring more activity to the RPC?
Given, that people are already making friends/RPing - how much more of that needs to happen to bring more activity here? What is the actual plan going forward? A general statement supporting community solidarity and cohesion is easy to make, but I really didn't see an actual proposal/course of action based on your stated beliefs.
Given, that there have been many large events, many new and veteran RPers who met and formed bonds, while RPC remained in a lull, what do you propose we do to change that?
Many OOC pearls for RPers have failed/are not used, what will be different?
How do you get people to bond, who have completely different tastes in what they like/dislike or what they find fun/interesting? How do people like myself and Verence who would rather not bother with people who are known to have different preferences when it comes to RP (note: not people we've never RPed with, but people with whom we have and didn't find it rewarding) factor into this? Furthermore, if there is more bonding, how do you translate that over to activity here on the RPC?
What about the people who would love to RP with anyone, yet strongly dislike the RPC itself?
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Regarding questions based on my proposals
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Reply to Rain
Quote:All I'm saying is that if you are to try and state that the RPC was administrator ran, it would be nice to have some direct evidence - if not for me, for people who weren't around during those days. I just had the discussion in mind, and for a point to be taken seriously it helps to have evidence backing it up instead of going off some one's word. The issue itself is simple enough thing to avoid even if it did exist. Either way, I see no further need to dig into this, so I won't continue to pick at it.The RPC is still administrator run, just like any other site... I was refering to an abuse of power, drawing lines in the sand, outcasting a portion of the community, etc.. While I can rehash all of that - given I take time out to do so - I would rather not, since Kylin did state that the discussion should focus on what to do from this point on. In my post, I wasn't so much as making a point, as referencing something in the past to ask the questions that I did. If you are not sure why I asked those questions, well, I pointed you and whoever else is curious in the right direction. I am not trying to rehash old debates, but rather asking if any views/positions/approaches are changed since then. I don't need quotes to ask simple questions, especially when I've pointed (pretty clearly) the reader to the direction where had they wanted to, they can read up on what happened and make their own opinions by reading the posts entirely, not just snippets.
Quote:I never did state that I believe we should tell people how to roleplay, but I'm sorry if it came across that way. I believe that we should encourage those who want to branch out and widen their circles. I also believe that the RPC and the in-game community are one. That is my stance. They can exist without each other, but in my opinion they would be so much stronger if they both were in harmony. It's fine if you feel in-game has nothing to do with the core issues here, I respect that, but I believe it does. I'll admit, the overall appeal of the RPC comes first - getting people back, but I believe that mending friendships and making new ones is right behind that, and should be discussed at the same time. To me, that seems to have a chance at increasing the RPCs overall appeal. If people have friends on the RPC, they may be more inclined to post.
Alright, agree to disagree indeed then. I personally encourage people to check out this site, people I am close to, yet they have their own reasons not to bother. Since we're not speaking on anyones behalf, I'll avoid listing some reasons I've heard. So, that's why to me your points don't hit the mark. That and maybe I've heard the message of 'we should all be friends, we should RP with more people, we should have a united community' one too many times. That to me needs no reiteration, since that's pretty much all I've heard.
And there is no need to define self-centered for me, I believe my competence in this language is good enough to know what it means. If I didn't, I'd look it up myself (as I often do). Note though, that in the quote you pulled up from my original post, I never did say you are self-centered. Yet you said in reply:
Quote:If you are in opposition to the idea, you can simply say you do not agree with it - there is no need to say my suggestions are self-centered.Bold added by me. It seems to me that you interpreted me actually saying something that just isn't there in text. What actually said was in reference to the general idea of making normative statements, which I explained further in the post before this one.
I see how, if I was quoting you, you could interpret that the way you did, yet I wasn't. I don't think anyone should assume, going forward, that someone is indirectly responding to them or hinting at them or winking at them or nodding to them or w/e... Unless it's quoted/stated outright, don't assume. Think about it this way, if I wanted to respond to a point you made specifically, why wouldn't I quote it in reference? Furthermore you accused me of misconstruing your post, when I never even quoted a single line from it. That's a pretty heavy charge to toss around basing it on nothing but an assumption.
My point was counter to the general idea that we should all RP together, Verence mentioned a similar point in his post:
Quote:We do this for fun, to enjoy ourselves and the company of others. While it's certainly nicer and more inclusive to always RP with everyone all the time, RP should not be an obligation. Accept that for any one of a variety of reasons, someone might just not want to roleplay with you right now. Don't take it personally! In fact, I'm going to be extreme here and say that due to differences in styles, goals, and motivations, not everyone SHOULD roleplay with each other! But you should never make that call without first giving it an honest try.
Anyway that's all for my reply... I hope we got things more or less ironed out and can move on.
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The devil in the details
I do have a question about your proposal, Rain. Here is what is what you made clear is happening in the game already (correct me if I am wrong): Friendships are being made, RP storylines are happening, Cross-LS RP is present, big events happen, in general there is RP to be found.
Your answer to increasing activity on the RPC seems to be to strengthen in-game community cohesion and increase RP between people who usually don't RP with each other.
Is that the general gist of it? If I got it wrong, correct me.
If community = RPC, how do you bring more activity to the RPC?
Given, that people are already making friends/RPing - how much more of that needs to happen to bring more activity here? What is the actual plan going forward? A general statement supporting community solidarity and cohesion is easy to make, but I really didn't see an actual proposal/course of action based on your stated beliefs.
Given, that there have been many large events, many new and veteran RPers who met and formed bonds, while RPC remained in a lull, what do you propose we do to change that?
Many OOC pearls for RPers have failed/are not used, what will be different?
How do you get people to bond, who have completely different tastes in what they like/dislike or what they find fun/interesting? How do people like myself and Verence who would rather not bother with people who are known to have different preferences when it comes to RP (note: not people we've never RPed with, but people with whom we have and didn't find it rewarding) factor into this? Furthermore, if there is more bonding, how do you translate that over to activity here on the RPC?
What about the people who would love to RP with anyone, yet strongly dislike the RPC itself?
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Regarding questions based on my proposals
Quote:I actually think Castiel tried to offer this at one point, but linkshells already had their personal sites and it was deemed un-necessary. It honestly could be that it just wasn't advertised enough, or simply the fact that people currently don't really use the RPC as we are all aware.Just to clarify, my idea was based around new LInkshells. I understand why Linkshells who already have websites wouldn't need this.
Quote:Seems fair enough. However, I have an honest question. What sort of resources did you have in mind? I suppose the possibilities could be endless, but let's expand on this.To be honest, it completely depends on what someone wanted to do. If they wanted to start a photobook, taking pics of all characters they RPed with, and writing a journal entry below about their impression, maybe a space somewhere on this website (outside the forum) where one can cycle through the 'profiles'. Basically, community support should be encouraged, and not just with words. If someone wants to start a podcast about their adventures, provide them with anything they need to make that successful, RSS feed (if possible), a page on the website, discussion forums, and so on. Welcome people who want to contribute and be present in the community, and the RPC will start to /look/ more like a community website. This in turn will provide the RPC with features/content which will drive up interest in the site.
Would they get their own specific forum space if the project were large enough? Would it be resources such as compiled information - lore, etc. Calendars, or special forms of advertisement?
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