(03-30-2015, 07:44 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: The moment you make that assertion you're in for the long haul because people can and WILL expect you to name names and have logs to present as proof. Which, let's be real here, won't happen.
How is that any different from what's already happening? We have a cluster of people anxious and wondering whether they're being sniped as "that asshole" - but none of them feel like they can say anything because names or logs can't be mentioned. At least if we rephrase things, people will get less distracted by whether or not they're on someone's shitlist and focus more on the actual issue at hand.
(03-30-2015, 07:44 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Also, reframing it like "how do we help people who struggle with finding RP?" won't help either - you'll get a rehash of the thread with even more people being condescending towards the people that would need the help and not the condescension.
The only reason why I was saying we should reframe things is specifically to take into account that not all veteran members are swimming RP and many of them have the same struggles as new folks do. It wasn't because I had a misconception that by reframing the conversation, issues would suddenly go away. The problems are still there, we're just taking into account the fact that some newbies and oldbies succeed in finding RP while others fail and how we can help bridge the gap between the ones having a hard time and the ones who aren't.
For all of the advice that some new folks actually found useful in this thread, we wouldn't have to rehash or repeat any of it as all of it could easily apply to an older member as well as a newer one.
(03-30-2015, 07:44 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: 2)
Also, the reason why inter-generational RP needs to happen is two-fold :
1) It integrates the newer person into the overall community, giving them a much larger range of contacts, while also exposing them to a larger amount of criticism and reinforcement for the development of their character from people who have played with the lore of the game for a long time.
2) It broadens the horizons of the veteran player and allows them easier access to new people who may be closer to his niche.
Sure, new people RPing with new people is good because heyyyy RP~ but is it healthy for the community to have that kind of split? Not really.
I agree with this - especially the lore aspect. When I was RPing with a new person last night, having an IC conversation exposed several areas that they felt they needed to do more lore-digging on to figure out their character and it was easy for me to just throw up the exact wiki page they needed to sort things out because I'd already been where they are.
Another new person who's just as unfamiliar with the lore might not have an easy time doing the same for them, so in a sense, older members RPing with newer ones provides a sort of pseudo-mentorship just by RPing together even if it's not an official one.
That said -- I think what Ilwe'ran was trying to dispel the notion that older members have all the keys to the castle in terms of unlocking RP with the rest of the community. Especially since just being in the community for a while may not be a guarantee that they're in a much better place than the new guy/gal is if they just happen to be one of those shy, struggling-to-find-RP older members. Both old and new RPers should be hunting down RP with both old and new RPers.
