(04-30-2015, 03:23 AM)Seriphyn Wrote:(04-30-2015, 02:50 AM)TheLastCandle Wrote:(04-30-2015, 02:33 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: I know it's super-cool to hate on Ul'dah (perhaps some of us prefer black&white morality), but just a reminder Ul'dah is the only city-state in Eorzea where a complete outsider can reach the highest echelons of society.
Mm, more than a little disingenuous for anyone who's paid attention to the lore to try to say this with a straight face. The grey areas are less pronounced, less in your face in Gridania, perhaps, but they're absolutely on display front and center in Limsa.
It is a snipe, yeah. It's just tiresome to hear the "lol Ul'dah sux" thing because it's put right in your face when all of them are shitty. A Gridanian conjurer refuses to heal a 12 y/o girl because "the Elementals said so". Ishgard is terrible to live in if you're not a noble, and it is clear in 3.0 it will be possibly revealed to be the case they are not so innocent with the Dragonsong War. Meanwhile, Limsa Lominsa is made of pirates...actual historical pirates who rape and pillage and all that.
So I don't know what on earth people are talking about when they do the 'Ul'dah sux' thing. Yes, we know. The story is all about that right now.
I'd say this is simply product of the current state of affairs. No other nation besides Ul'dah has shown their guts so deeply yet, or has been as 'villainized'. For all we've -seen-, Gridania and Limsa Lominsa have their quirks, but they also have fairly stabilized government bodies and nations, whose problems comes more often from the outside than the inside.
Ul'dah now...has shown to have a deeply corrupted 'police' body that would be the blades (police being used very very loosely), a nation divided between two starkly different sides and a system that was supposed to lift those who deserves it up the ladder is also being abused by those already rich to keep themselves up there while pushing down some of those still climbing up. Yes, that happens too in real life, it doesn't make it any less ugly.
The 'evil' side (to have a mentality of a monetarist isn't evil, problem is, seems like the monetarists are mostly filled with scumbags) also bought what was to be the Eorzea's salvation army (The Crystal Braves), incapacitated the two more influential royalists(Raubahn and Sultana herself) and then chased away the Scions and the Warrior of Light, the ones that tend to clean up everyone's messy mess.
My point is...does Gridania and Limsa have ugly sides? Absolutely, perhaps some we couldn't even have seen yet. But no ugly side has been explored and 'uglified' more than Ul'dah's so far. So the current hate Ul'dah is getting, if anything, is mostly fair.
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