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(06-05-2015, 04:43 PM)Cedric Wrote:The game is alt-unfriendly, it has always been alt-unfriendly (as of 2.0) and most likely will remain alt-unfriendly due to the way it has been coded (otherwise we would most likely have seen some changes made)(06-05-2015, 05:43 AM)BroodingFicus Wrote:See bold. Promotional tool.(06-05-2015, 12:14 AM)Addison Wrote: Pretty sure everyone who responded negatively to Zyrusticae's post missed the point. None of you are subscribers for the sole reason that you're a White Mage. Or a Ninja. Or a Warrior. You have other motivators too, and those motivators also fall under "the entire game."Â
The point was not missed. Obviously we all play for more than one reason. Most of us here RP, we have friends who play, we enjoy dungeons, PvP etc in some combination that keeps us paying monthly. However enjoying or not enjoying a class does not make an individual narrow minded and it seemed an odd thing to say personally.
Fact of the matter is some people will enjoy certain roles and classes while others will not. No one is right or wrong in that thinking. It still just seems odd that the new classes are locked up so tightly while simultaneously being used as a promoting tool. I'm not certain it will drastically effect anything aside from old players who wish to level an Au Ra as the new classes without using a Fantasia on an old character and new players/returning players who have their heart set on doing that exact thing as well. *shrug* But it bothers enough people that there has been quite a bit of talk about it. We'll see I suppose. At this point nothing is changing before the release and I'll settle for waiting the the MSQ exp buff to finish leveling my WHM along the other alt making individuals out there. *lifts kilt in salute* We shall suffer together. XD. I think we need a mascot.
Promoting the new classes, then finding that they can't play said class when they buy the thing, is misleading. I'm not sure NEW PLAYERS (or returning players who hadn't finished 2.0-2.55 MSQ) will like being lead-on. Another promotional tool they're using are the new areas (Ishgard, Dravanian Outlands, Sea of Clouds, etc.) and flying mounts. And you can't access those until you're done with 2.55. The only thing you're getting from the get-go is the ability to create Au Ra.
I think the biggest beef people have is that they aren't paying for an Expansion. They're basically paying for an "Extension" (see page 1 or 2 of this thread, there's a neat picture there somewhere) while it is being promoted as an Expansion. Just because this is how they've done it before (a la FFXI) doesn't mean they should continue to do it this way. (But we all know that they will.)
Personally, I think it's pointless to lock the new classes behind this 2.55 gate. Yes, I get that these are Ishgard-based classes (except AST, which originated from Sharlayan) but so was DRG. (Previously pointed out in this 17-page thread.) It's inevitably going to make some people unhappy. Especially new players and people returning from when they left back in 2.(whatever). But will people continue to play? I'd like to think so. I know I will. But that's only because I'm already done with the ARR MSQ's. And I want shinies. I get that the new areas are locked. And even the flying mounts. The new classes? Not so much. (Save for whatever time-sensitive things regarding MSQ's but I think that can be worked around.)
But as you can see from my signature, I have alts. Sometimes, I have no life and get levels on said alts. But not all of them are caught up with the MSQs. Â It sort of screws me over but this game is, by and large, an alt-unfriendly game.
regarding an expansion vs extension, the definition of expansion is as follows:
Quote:noun 1. the act or process of expanding.Heavensward fulfills all of that Criteria, therefore, it is an expansion.
2. The state or quality of being expanded.
3. The amount or degree of expanding.
4. An expanded, dilated, or enlarged portion or form of a thing:
The 2.x patch series was an extension. It extended several stories and raids through the lifetime of the 2.x cycle.
I would also say that in most other MMO's, their expansions were also extensions if you go from the criteria posted earlier in the thread, as there is typically no way to level up to the required level without killing at least some stuff in the previous expansion, which usually stops granting XP before you are at the level required for it.
Gating content behind other content does not stop it from becoming an expansion. That is simply the chosen gating method.
As to the classes being a promotional tool. Yes they are, however, they are a promotional tool with the wording 'YOU MUST COMPLETE X CONTENT BEFORE THIS CONTENT IS AVAILABLE' attached to it. It may not have been clear when pre-orders opened, I can't remember when the announcement was made, however, it has been clear that this was the stance taken for a sizable ammount of time leading up to launch.
It is in no way misleading.
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