(06-08-2015, 11:30 PM)Intaki Wrote:(06-08-2015, 10:17 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Um... every tree is an Elemental. Every stream, every boulder. They are the world.They're a forest. One forest. A big forest, sure. If elementals exist outside the Black Shroud, they haven't exhibited totalitarian tendencies that their exceptional Shroud brethren have. They haven't even exhibited any signs of sympathy or alliance to the Black Shroud elementals.
Not one forest. All forests. Every tree. Every stone. Every stream is an Elemental. They are Nature incarnate.
Waldew Wrote:Waldew: Listen, adventurer, to the rustling leaves, the flowing rivers- to the very pulse of this land. We conjurers of Stillglade Fane interpret these whispers of the Elementals and convey them to the people of Gridania.
The Call of Nature Wrote:Ingram: Put your ear to the Twelveswood, sister, and listen with all your being. Know - not fear - know that the Elementals are there. And when you feel that it is they that comprise the life that flows through us all, you will begin to hear their whispers.
Good Knight, Sweet Dreams Wrote:Soileine: Perhaps it was the Elementals within the knight's metals whose voices he heard.
Seeds of Initiative Wrote:Raya-O-Senna: Now, these misbehaving Elementals would have long been pacified, but for the fact that most incidents transpire outside the Twelveswood. I am duty-bound to the forest, you see, and cannot attend to the matter, while Stillglade Fane has not the manpower to spare at present for an undertaking beyond our borders. But you, Sounsyy - you may do what we Gridanians cannot. So I bid you journey forth to quell the keening of the Elementals throughout Eorzea.
And there is a reason Elementals from outside the Black Shroud cannot or choose not to materialize. They do not have the protection of the Hedge. Despite their power, they can be killed by man. So they do not reveal themselves outside of where they are protected.
Dendrological Duties Wrote:Soileine: Elementals abound in the Twelveswood around Gridania. Unto them falls the task of protecting the forest. And unto us falls the task of protecting them. To that end, we have laid the Hedge - a magical barrier formed by our order and the Elementals that serves to turn away outside evils. Those who would breach it invite our vengeance. We are the conjurers - intermediaries of nature and man. Our place is between Gridanians and the Elementals. The majority of our citizenry are deaf to the forest's whispers. Yet all feel the presence of the Elementals, as surely as they feel hot and cold.
(06-08-2015, 11:30 PM)Intaki Wrote: Mortals already put the elementals under threat before; the elementals were so terrified they felt the need to flood the whole place clean. And mortals did that without even meaning to!
Imagine if you will a legion of Black Mages and White Mages with stolen succor. Then imagine that these mages want something from the elementals and threaten to aggressively and specifically rip the life and aether out of the Black Shroud if they don't get what they want.
Thousands upon thousands of mortals drained Hydaelyn of all Her aether over the course of several years, decades, perhaps even a century. The War of the Magi lasted years before the Elementals felt threatened enough by it to flood the world.
So... when you ask me to imagine a legion of Black Mages and White Mages, I wonder where this legion is coming from? Black Magic is forgotten and outlawed. Only a half a dozen men and beastmen practice it in some small capacity. Ququruka spent 120 years doing nothing but studying Black Magic and his abilities paled in comparison to some of the feats of the 5th Astral Magi. You think casting flare takes up a lot of aether... imagine bringing an entire mountain to life. Imagine the aether required to pluck a star from the heavens. These were the feats of the 5th Astral Magi.
Now multiply these feats by thousands and thousands of mages around Eorzea. White Mages, Black Mages, Scholars, Faeries... You think we're ever going to see those kinds of numbers again? No. Never. These magicks are forgotten and forbidden for a reason. Even if you held a massive seminar on Black Magic and didn't get thrown in jail or killed, you would never again achieve the number of magi as there were 1,600 years ago.
And as for White Mages... a magic that until 5 years ago existed in complete and total secret in the hands of 6 families of Padjal - a race created specifically by the Elementals to guard Succor. You think the Padjal are going to turn on the Elementals? Even consider someone with succor to turn on the Elementals. No way. So this "legion" you're theorizing is never going to happen. So you're left with a sad group of individuals trying to take on Nature. All of Nature. The world. You need a lot bigger stick than anyone is ever going to possess. And for what purpose are you trying to threaten NATURE? I don't understand? What did the Elementals do that even makes you or this fictitious legion want to threaten the very lifeblood of the world in which they live in? Yes, let's kill every tree in the entire world because I don't want to play by the Elemental's rules in their own home.
(06-09-2015, 07:17 AM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: Much of 1.0 was officially retconned and dusted up under the rug. If it is not mention in 2.0, it's not of importance. If it does get mentioned, then sure, I'll change my mind, but until that point, it's an exercise in futility and expecting the community to know about it, much less actually give any thought or regard to matter, is frankly absurd.
"Officially"? Um, I've been playing this game since launch in 2010 and I can tell you I haven't seen a single bit of lore retconned. Mechanics, yes. Lore, no. Have some things changed over the course of 5 years and a calamitous event? Most certainly, but wiped from existence, no.
Secondly, I don't "expect" the community to know about it, especially if they've never played 1.0. ...But that's why I'm here offering the 1.0 lore for people who ask. There are some answers and events that are not explored in 2.0 because they were in the past. If someone asks how Kan-E-Senna rose to power in Gridania and replaced E-Sumi-Yan as Elder Seedseer and leader of Gridania... the answer isn't in 2.0. But it is expressed in 1.0.
The lore is there. And more often than not, it is more explicit and concise than any lore that's come out in 2.0. The Sil'dihn Aquaducts beneath Ul'dah from 2.55- those were from 1.0! 1.0 players knew they were down there, even though they only recently got re-revealed in 2.0. You know why Wood Wailers wear masks? 2.0 doesn't tell you, but 1.0 informs us that the masks absorb Woodsin in place of the wearer, so a Wailer doesn't become a Wildling when they kill something in the Wood. These are just a few of countless examples.
1.0 had a lot of really bad things in it, but its story and lore were not among those bad things.
(06-09-2015, 02:32 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Some Jobs actually use the Soul Crystal to pass on the knowledge of the skills involved in the Job. Â White Mage is not one of them.
Actually, the argument could go either way for the soulstone.
Seeds of Initiative Wrote:Raya-O-Senna: And, as you act in my name, I hereby permit you the use of white magic. <Player Character begins to glow.> Take here this linkpearl and Soul of the White Mage. The latter is an ancient crystal imbued with the light of succor - by its power, the forbidden art will be yours to wield, albeit within the bounds of your skill as a conjurer.
To walk the path of the white mage is to devote oneself to the salving of hurts and the lifting of misery - ours is the hand that proffers comfort. Should it every come to light that you have used your powers for less virtuous ends, be forewarned you will promptly be dispossessed of the crystal and summarily punished.
Heart of the Forest Wrote:A-Towa-Cant: I lived a long and fruitful life. But when I drew my last breath in O'Ghomoro that day, I did so with one profound regret- that I would pass from this realm without finding a worthy inheritor to bequeath my knowledge in full. My spirit left my lifeless body to abide in this soul crystal, with the hope that one day it would find its way into the hands of my successor. From the moment you took my crystal in hand, I knew. Padjal or no, I had at long last found one to whom I could truly pass on my knowledge.
