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(06-09-2015, 06:37 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Also, Provoke outside of raids is a crutch for tanks unable to do their job properly the first time. And if you want to raid but you're bitching about needing to level a cross-class...
Well, I question your dedication to raiding.
Yep, but you're still gonna get chewed out for not having it regardless of your personal beliefs on Provoke.
Provoke is a crutch against bad players. Whether you or your party.
(06-09-2015, 06:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Just a couple of shotgun points to bring up, in no particular order:
-Since this thread was created I leveled 2 alts to 2.55 content. Nobody knows who they are because I made sure to do it on my own, without riding reputation or friends for help.
It's still relevant content at this point. More people will be queuing than when Heavensward is actually released.
You also have the advantage of knowing how the game plays and what pitfalls to avoid, something a new player might or might not have.
(06-09-2015, 06:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -I'm pretty sure every expansion in WoW made me replay the entire series of expansions if I started a new character. I made a monk? I have to replay Cata/BC/Wrath/Panda/Warlords to get current. Unless I shell out real cash, by the by.
You were only limited by level, and could go into expansion zones at any time regardless of your level (though for Shattrath/Dalaran while it was relevant content, you needed a mage that has Portal : Shattrath/Dalaran to do so).
To be more precise :
BC : 58
WotLK : 68
Cata : 80 (first time they enforced max level to continue with the expansion - yes, a lot of players raged against that because Wrath was when people really started leveling a ton of alts. Only two extra levels.)
Mists : 90
WoD : 95
Since I only played up until Mists, I can only say that until that time, you could bypass most expansion content other than the quests that got you access to those, so long as you hit the requisite level. Which is impossible to do here (say you were one of the many people who hates the MSQ and decided to skip the entirety of it, you would not have access to Ishgard. WoW would allow you to do that because it doesn't give a shit.)
(06-09-2015, 06:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -Until recently, if someone wanted to play DK and was new to the game, they had to start at 1, hit 55, then redo everything.
DK started at 55, so they did not need to redo 55 levels of content. They needed to do 3 levels to get to 58 in order to get to Burning Crusade level. They skipped vanilla entirely.
(06-09-2015, 06:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -People here seem to be intentionally ignoring the newspost where Yoshi said exp and gear rewards were being streamlined to alleviate the 2.1-2.55 bore. New players will likely be level 51 or 52 upon hitting 3.0's content.
I haven't and have been mentioning most of these when relevant. So far, other than "priority to new players in Low-Level queues for MSQ content" I've seen nothing that'd alleviate the only real problem they'll be facing. 30-50 content will have current players leveling the new jobs so no real problem there.
(Also they've only mentioned the Armory bonus, not additional XP from what I gather. Additional rewards are in and I speculated about those earlier on in the thread.)
The problem isn't the iLevel grind (which should be updated to 110 btw because that is what they've said in the same interview) so much than the lack of available players at that level during Heavensward. I honestly do not believe they'll reach 52 during 2.1-2.55 too - 51 is a possibility if they overdo dungeons.
51? Yeah, but a million XP minimum is what I expect from 51 to 52 if they want to keep their promise of 50-60 being as long as base game. 1-15 is three hours while falling asleep at keyboard.
(06-09-2015, 06:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -New players won't be bothered by having to redo content because they'll be doing it for the first time
Two words : DPS Queues.
Terribad now, DANGER !!!!!! TERROR HORROR level for outdated content. 30-50 should be okay since there should be approximately a fuckton of players doing DRK/AST but as soon as they're 50 if their asses aren't in HW dungeons they're doing it wrong.
(06-09-2015, 06:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -New players who want to play new classes should be used to the MMO design of "Nope, do the boring grind first."
If you mean "play the class at max level", sure. This isn't the case, here.
Get to 50, complete MSQ, go to Ishgard, revert to 30 with new Job, grind to 50, enjoy new content.
Typically, a MMO that releases a new class will have the following steps :
Level up until new content.
Not exactly the same deal.
(06-09-2015, 06:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -If they're not, they won't buy the expansion.
Or the game at all if we're talking about new players.
(06-09-2015, 06:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -Seriously, you could have had multiple brand new classes to 50 and waiting for fantasia (included with the expansion!) by now
I'm actually waiting until the expansion to level my alts just to see how bad it will be. No sense in arguing here if I'm not willing to live it.
(BTW : I'll have a tank and a DPS and likely I won't be leveling them until much further in the expansion's life cycle. My planned Au Ralt will also be doing the path to Ishgard into DRK revisit of the old dungeons!)