(06-19-2015, 01:00 AM)Griffith! Wrote:The issue I am trying to get here is that canonically, if you are an Ishgardian and serve the See, your butt better be in Ishgard /right now/. There is a war that is about to spiral out of control in the city and the lands west of Ishgard and what are you doing guarding..whatever it is you're guarding? Do you not want to defend your home? Do you want to sacrifice your family to invaders that are clearly able to enter when they wish? The main defense is breached, what are you doing wasting manpower that is not in the main city? These are questions you will have to experience and answer, and most of them are going to be seen with rather violent responses from those dedicated to the city.(06-19-2015, 12:01 AM)Virella Douront Wrote:(06-18-2015, 07:09 PM)Griffith! Wrote: I'm not sure what you're saying. Only recruit Elezen and Hyurs? I mean, the point is already to be a branch of the Ishgardian temple knights - specifically, the branch that defends holy sites outside of Ishgard. The only way to be any more Ishgardian is to limit our recruitment practices to those two races and never leave the city walls except to kill a dragon.Going to be very blunt, at this point, unless we get proven wrong in a few hours I do not think there is such a thing as non-Ishgardian Temple Knights, unless you wish to have heresy claims and a beheading, hanging or a trip down withdrop following next. I really, really do not think Ishgardians are happy to let outsiders in their sacred order at this point. So ehm. Yeah.
EDIT: Also, I was thinking about going with Ark Knights, because, first, it's another special character class from FFT, like Temple Knight, and second my name is Arkwright.
Ishgardians do leave the city. Read into the lore and you will see they have business with the other cities. They simply do not go on holidays, fun days off ect. Everything they do has to be in the name of the Holy War.
So by your own admission it is possible there could be Ishgardians outside the city of Ishgard. I don't see how that precludes Temple Knights who don't live in Ishgard. They leave the city, ergo, there are some who are not in the city. My character, Lord-Commander of the Ark Knights, is a Temple Knight assigned to a distasteful duty away from the city as a punishment for some sin or infraction. He recruits from a pool of non-Ishgardian soldiers or disgraced Ishgardian Knights to keep his forces up, because it's not like the church is just going to send him perfectly good troops while a war is on.
I don't understand the objection anyway. If there is an orthodoxy, there is also an unorthodoxy. Otherwise, why bother stipulating that the church is orthodox? It implies there is more than one faction within the church. So why can't there be more than one faction of Temple Knight?
And I'm not worried about anyone crying heresy. Why should they? Because not every member of my division is Ishgardian? Why would they care? We're not even in Ishgard. I should think they'd be pleased, that we can defend non-Ishgardian holy sites without using Ishgardian soldiers.
And there are twelve gods. Twelve of them. They can't all have the same tenets in their faith, or why bother having twelve gods? So maybe the followers of Halone, the Fury don't agree with the recruitment practices of my division. But maybe Oschon, the Wanderer is all about it.
But even after saying all that, I don't even mind being declared a heretic. In fact, I'm largely okay with the motivational dissonance there. "Kill him, he's a heretic!" "Why? Does he worship the Primals?" "No, he does our job for us!" "..."
TL;DR - I get it, you don't want anyone using the name of a canon organisation without being completely within the bounds of said canon. That's why I proposed the change from Temple to Ark Knight.
P.S. I am now thinking of calling them - in addition to calling them Ark Knights - the Order of the Southern Sky (again as an homage to my favorite Final Fantasy, FFT.)
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At best, you'd be called a loon by those who do serve Ishgard. At worst, you would most definitely be called a heretic. There is logic and reason in these thoughts and accusations, even if your path is what it is. Though the orthodoxy/unorthodoxy thing is logical, we have but a few hours to tell if that is actually true or not. As far as anyone knows, this world is /not/ a free willing one that lets you do what it wishes. Especially not Ishgard. It is their way or the guillotine up there as far as anyone is aware. I'll note that there are very few exceptions to this rule, but they have earned it through merits time and time again.
If it is proven wrong, this idea is put up to a firing squad. It is something you need to keep in mind.