(08-02-2015, 02:30 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Well, it did actually come across to me as him saying that the racism doesn't exist because he doesn't want to deal with it. Â He doesn't see it, so it's not there.
That isn't what he said, though.
(08-02-2015, 02:30 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: <big ol' snip>
But, see, lots of people can't separate OOC from IC. Â And even though I had 0 problems with any of the Drow players OOC, and was, in fact, good friends with several of them, I got the most amazing OOC hate for my character being such a hardliner. Â People would get so angry at me because of things my character said and did. Â People knew the setting stated that Drow were basically persona non grata (cuz who invites a serial killer to lunch, srsly?), but they didn't want to play it out because god forbid we hurt someone's feelings OOC by what we do IC.
Well, that sucks and that was wrong of them to be angry at you, but I don't see anybody actually doing that in this thread. In fact, the people posting who say they're uncomfortable RPing these themes themselves have asserted several times that they're fine with other people RPing it and would politely ask others not to RP it with them if someone tried to. I fail to see why everyone's still being so defensive on this point in this thread. (Please don't read that in a condescending tone, I don't mean for it to be.)
(08-02-2015, 02:30 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Seriously - do you want to play the setting? Â Because either you do, or you don't. Â If you do, you need to accept that the society in this setting is flawed. Â Deeply, profoundly flawed.
Nobody's arguing that the setting isn't flawed- at least as not as strongly as you're arguing it is. People have argued it's progressive in other aspects, like sexual freedoms, or that it's inaccurate to use progressive/conservative to describe the setting and try to relate it to our world, but I'm pretty sure nobody's arguing that it's without flaw or has no racism.
(08-02-2015, 02:30 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: It's a discussion. Â I haven't seen anyone get mean or nasty. Â Disagreement != argument. Â It means we're discussing and debating back and forth. Â Not really sure what you're getting at, tbh.
The language people are using in this thread is honestly on the curt side, and there's a little bit of putting-words-into-peoples'-mouths going on, although I'm not inclined to point at specific people and examples for the sake of not instigating drama. (EDIT: The word "argument" was specifically used, and that is what I was referring to. That's part of why I posted in the first place.)
(08-02-2015, 02:31 AM)Flashhelix Wrote: Actually, he said
(08-02-2015, 12:03 AM)A'kos Wrote: The setting from my point of view has very little racial tension or actual racism in it.Which is wrong. The setting has plenty of racism. If he'd said that the racism in the game's setting was not a main focus on the storyline, then he might have something, but to say it just doesn't have it is simply wrong.
If somebody doesn't have knowledge of the setting, then maybe it's not best to come into a thread and say "X doesn't exist in the setting." That's a recipe for disaster. We've been over the subjective part multiple times and people seem to get it. It's completely alright to not be comfortable with mature or dark themes in RP. The objective part, that racism and prejudice between the races is prevalent in the setting, is the part that people seem to be having trouble with.
"Very little" doesn't mean "none". He didn't say it doesn't exist. To me it seemed he was speaking in a relative sense. We all acknowledge it's there and it exists, but what we really seem to be disagreeing on is how relevant it should be to the individual player.
And as you said- it's been pointed out multiple times. You probably don't need to point it out again to the guy who's just trying to share his perspective and how this RP relates to him and his feelings.
edit: It's late and I feel things might be getting a bit off topic this point, and for that I apologize, so I personally am going to leave it. The point I'm trying to make is- this is a sensitive subject for many and I feel like perhaps the tone of the thread has gotten a bit smarmy, to the detriment of the discussion.
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