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RE: Creating a Dragoon... |
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09-01-2015, 11:02 AM
(09-01-2015, 01:13 AM)Flashhelix Wrote: To just assume that Ratatoskr's blood, one of the biggest revelations in the HW MSQ, doesn't figure into the job class that are not only considered to be the symbol of Ishgard but also stated to have an "inner dragon" of sorts that is implied to be far more than metaphorical is pretty ridiculous.
I don't think this is ridiculous at all. This whole plot point is about the people of Ishgard and there susceptibility to the curse within their lineage. There is no lore, at all, in any way, shape, or form that supports Dragoons capabilities stemming from this curse. Your rationale that it is obvious is that since Dragoons represent Ishgard, therefore a curse on the entirety of Ishgardians is what gives them power. They do not fight like dragons, quite the opposite actually, they are the dragon meta game. Any tie between these two is an inference you are making between "dragon curse on people who seemed to then have evil powers" and "something very akin to aether manipulation of some sort".

(09-01-2015, 01:13 AM)Flashhelix Wrote: When we see a miqo'te dragoon somewhere, I'll believe it. Simple as that.
This is totally fine, just hypocritical. This is something you need to see, definitively in order to even accept it. It seems you are more than willing to use inductive reasoning on lore (with significantly less information) but when the same is done (with now literal pages of supporting lore to make the plausibility of this far less farfetched) you are demanding to see one in game or it is just someone "bending poor lore to have cat ears".  It just seems to me that for whatever reason, a Miqo'te Dragoon is so much of a lore faux pas that people are willing to ignore pages of supporting lore, and actually try to rationalize 500 years of time to have had large amounts of interbreeding between Hyur and Elezen (which we know is scandalous ALL over, and is just as bad, if not worse in Ishgard) instead.

As mentioned countless times, it doesn't affect me or my RP in the slightest. I will drive on living the dream regardless, but when people shrug off facts by saying "I don't care and I won't stop you, it's just dumb." we just need to acknowledge that isn't a valid response or addition to the discussion. At the moment there is far more lore in support of the idea anyone with sufficient training can become a Dragoon, regardless of race than the opposite, since the latter hinges on lore we know even less about.

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Creating a Dragoon... - by Riven - 08-31-2015, 09:29 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sylastair - 08-31-2015, 09:50 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 08-31-2015, 10:07 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 08-31-2015, 11:30 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sylastair - 08-31-2015, 11:51 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sounsyy - 08-31-2015, 12:14 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Riven - 08-31-2015, 12:51 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 02:03 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 08-31-2015, 02:10 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sylastair - 08-31-2015, 04:30 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 08-31-2015, 04:41 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Volk - 08-31-2015, 04:46 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sylastair - 08-31-2015, 07:22 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Warren Castille - 08-31-2015, 02:10 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 08-31-2015, 02:13 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Verad - 08-31-2015, 02:19 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Warren Castille - 08-31-2015, 02:22 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 02:28 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 08-31-2015, 02:42 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Chris Ganale - 08-31-2015, 02:43 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 02:48 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Chris Ganale - 08-31-2015, 02:50 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 03:12 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 05:31 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Martiallais - 08-31-2015, 06:06 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 06:27 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ronin'ra - 08-31-2015, 07:26 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sounsyy - 08-31-2015, 11:42 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 11:58 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 01:27 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sounsyy - 09-01-2015, 02:16 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Riven - 08-31-2015, 05:45 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 05:59 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Riven - 08-31-2015, 06:06 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 08-31-2015, 06:12 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Virella - 08-31-2015, 06:26 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 07:51 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sylastair - 08-31-2015, 08:00 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Volk - 08-31-2015, 08:24 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 08:13 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 08-31-2015, 08:13 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 08-31-2015, 08:24 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Riven - 08-31-2015, 08:32 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Martiallais - 08-31-2015, 08:40 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Seriphyn - 08-31-2015, 08:34 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 08-31-2015, 08:48 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Seriphyn - 08-31-2015, 08:49 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 08-31-2015, 08:54 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Volk - 08-31-2015, 08:50 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ashe - 08-31-2015, 09:17 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 08-31-2015, 09:20 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Verad - 08-31-2015, 10:12 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Judielle Farendaire - 08-31-2015, 10:42 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sylastair - 08-31-2015, 11:01 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Ronin'ra - 08-31-2015, 11:12 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 08-31-2015, 11:17 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Judielle Farendaire - 08-31-2015, 11:21 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Riven - 08-31-2015, 11:31 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Jana - 09-01-2015, 12:00 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 12:02 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sounsyy - 09-01-2015, 01:23 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Judielle Farendaire - 09-01-2015, 12:03 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 01:13 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 01:24 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 01:30 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sylastair - 09-01-2015, 11:02 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 01:31 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 01:39 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 01:43 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 01:52 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 01:53 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Lydia Lightfoot - 09-01-2015, 01:51 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 01:53 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 01:58 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Lydia Lightfoot - 09-01-2015, 02:00 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 02:04 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Lydia Lightfoot - 09-01-2015, 02:17 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 02:20 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 02:23 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Lydia Lightfoot - 09-01-2015, 02:24 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 02:29 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Lydia Lightfoot - 09-01-2015, 02:39 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Zelmanov - 09-01-2015, 02:34 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Lydia Lightfoot - 09-01-2015, 02:42 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Zelmanov - 09-01-2015, 03:07 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 01:59 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 02:05 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 02:16 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 02:25 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 02:28 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 02:31 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 02:33 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 02:39 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 02:42 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 02:45 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Lydia Lightfoot - 09-01-2015, 02:44 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 02:50 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Lydia Lightfoot - 09-01-2015, 02:55 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Flashhelix - 09-01-2015, 02:58 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 02:49 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 02:52 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 02:58 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 03:00 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 03:10 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 03:17 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Vitamin C - 09-01-2015, 03:27 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 03:29 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Vitamin C - 09-01-2015, 03:33 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 03:33 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 03:37 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 03:45 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 04:28 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 09:28 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 10:44 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 11:16 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 11:46 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Yssen - 09-01-2015, 11:55 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 11:58 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 12:12 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 01:25 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 01:49 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 02:08 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 02:23 PM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sounsyy - 09-01-2015, 03:06 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Vitamin C - 09-01-2015, 02:35 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 02:38 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Vitamin C - 09-01-2015, 02:44 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 02:48 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Vitamin C - 09-01-2015, 03:02 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 03:07 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Vitamin C - 09-01-2015, 03:15 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 02:00 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Zelmanov - 09-01-2015, 02:05 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Oli! - 09-01-2015, 03:16 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by V'aleera - 09-01-2015, 03:35 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Riven - 09-01-2015, 09:28 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Unnamed Mercenary - 09-01-2015, 09:41 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Sylastair - 09-01-2015, 09:51 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Martiallais - 09-01-2015, 11:09 AM
RE: Creating a Dragoon... - by Zelmanov - 09-01-2015, 06:09 PM

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