(03-08-2016, 06:46 PM)Mavis Wrote: So since my new character is going to dabble in old magics, I have run into a few terminology problems.Â
1. White magic v black magic:
Black mages draw aether from Hydaelyn to fuel their spells, killing the land in the process. White magic draws from the Elementals, however since those are essentially the land around the caster as well, would the effects of excessive use of either art have the same effect on their surroundings?
Also we know from the new Lost City HM that the amdapori managed to use succor not just to heal, but to harm (see Kuribu with her reversed Cure IV and Regen). Given the 1.0 Lore from Thaumaturges, would that mean that Black mages could use their technique to fuel stronger healing spells?
1.5 White magic v black magic casts/spells:
Malicious White magic or Succor is possible as we have seen, however how could it best be portrayed? Given that atleast Regen seems to keep it's original look of a blue field, would it be less "flashy" than what a normal Black mage would use, being less destructive, while remaining harmful/lethal?Â
2. Elementals.
They -are- nature, as already said in the thread. However me and Sil while discussing this had somewhat different opinions. One way of seeing it was that the Elementals resided in the shroud (talking about the big scary ones), but due to their strength they influence all of nature even far beyond the twelveswood, sort of like the roots of a tree. The other point of view being that the elementals are more decentralised, every tree or rock being a "mini-elemental". Any support on which of those is correct, or if both are wrong?
3. Succor=White magic?
We know that the fae the scholars created were made to use Succor. However, is Succor merely a different term for White magic, or is there more to White magic than simply draining the Elementals for healing (or harming)?
1) White Mages still draw from the land as well. It's still up in the air whether the Elementals control white Magic (these days) or if it was something they taught, which the Amdaporeans then abused, which is why they're so strict on who gets to learn it now.
It's important to note that the original 1.0 lore didn't include jobs at all. White Mages and Black Mages didn't exist until after Yoshi-P took over and the battle team started getting more say than the lore team. (Which is why the class skills were all redone and CNJ became more healer-ish and THM became more elemental magic-ish). Prior to that, CNJ had elemental spells and THM had something more akin to blood magic.
Assuming that BLM effectively works like THM with a different (read: BIGGER AND MORE DANGEROUS) aether source, then it's possible that some of the healing spells could be more powerful. But from what I remember, the THM healing spells actively hurt the THM. The spells I can think of would do something like "take ___ HP from THM, heal the party with it."
2) I'd lean towards the latter. The Shroud isn't the center of the world, nor does it control it. It's very possible that because the Shroud is so full of nature though, that its Elementals are stronger. There are many very old Elementals.
3) Again, Succor isn't using the Elemental's aether. It's still through the power of the land. A Scholar's faerie was effectively an artificial mini-Elemental, to my understanding, which is why they could cast those spells. There's likely far more to all the different forms of magic than we'll ever actually get in the game. SE like has a big fancy collection of lore that only internal employees get access to.
