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(08-16-2016, 03:04 PM)Faye Wrote: How about you compare related things? Compare healer DPS output to actual DPS output, compare actual DPS class offense skills to WHM offense skills.
Mkay!
FFLogs - Current Damage Rankings
The above link takes you to a site that records parsed dps/hps of any and all boss fights. There's lots of fun settings you can play with, but you can also check out min, average, and max numbers for each individual Job as well based on content. The graph I linked is dps for Midas Normal, All Bosses averaged, best scores for the past two weeks. I figured Midas NM would be a reasonable example because it's fairly easy content, but pseudo raid content.
Healers are at the bottom, but not too far below tanks. And deal approx. within a 50-60% of the damage output from all DPS classes. If you take the time to look through class specific parses, you can see a wider variation of dps outputs from healers. For example, there are parses from a few WHMs hitting 1300 dps or higher. This isn't what I'd call "pretty minimal" by any standard.
Can you do this all the time? No! Will you always pull out these high of numbers? No! (Will your dps? Probably not!) But does that mean a Healer's dps is inconsequential in a dungeon? No. And we should stop treating it like it is. Healers can deal up to roughly half the damage a DPS class can, with 1/3 of the abilities, and still prioritize healing their party if there's not serious damage happening. Even if you only do 300-500 dps, imo, it's still better than nothing. BUT, circling back to my first post- don't attempt to deal 1300 dps as WHM if you're not comfortable with stance dancing. Practice, implement it little by little, and always make sure you're doing the other 2/3 of your job also!
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(08-16-2016, 03:04 PM)Faye Wrote: If you read my post, you must have misunderstood it. Not once did I say that Cleric Stance or DPS skills are only for solo-play as a healer or for hardcore endgame content. In fact, I essentially said the same thing as the Master of Magicks--that healers can/should DPS (preferably with stance-dancing) if they are comfortable and able, but they should always prioritize healing.
You'd think after all these lore posts I write, my reading comprehension wouldn't be called into question, but this is the internet. You did very much say much the same or similar to the Master of Magicks, and not questioning it. The very first line in my post references your mention of putting Cleric Stance and DPS skills in largely for "solo-leveling" and states this is an opinion seemingly held widely in the community.
(08-16-2016, 10:39 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: I only point out this quote because apparently it's a highly prevalent excuse in the community, that Healers have access to DPS abilities only for the sake of solo content
If you're not someone who believes it's "only" for solo use and just "largely" for solo use, great! But, apparently according to tumblr, reddit, in game, and RPC, there are many who believe it is "only" for solo use, and that's probably something that should not be encouraged?
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(08-16-2016, 10:39 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: But the overwhelming sentiment I've read in this thread is that Healers are going to give you one or the other. If someone asks me to DPS, I'm going to dps and not heal and its your fault if you die! Or, yeah, I'm a healer and I heal to heal so not touching it ever. But that's not how Cleric Stance or "stance dancing" is supposed to work. It shouldn't be 100% on or 100% off. Wax on and wax off as appropriate.
(08-16-2016, 03:04 PM)Faye Wrote: I don't believe anyone has said this at all. I'm really not sure where you're getting this sentiment from.
After going back through the thread, I'm not sure where I got the sentiment from?
(08-13-2016, 04:53 PM)Faye Wrote: Nowadays I just refuse to healer DPS out of spite because it's funny to watch people scream about it.
Quote:You have thusly nearly //forfeited// your right to complain or scream at me if you lose a lot of health or end up dying! Will I still rez you and keep you healed ? Yes, but don't expect that to be a priourity. I mean, after all, I'm doing what you asked and DPSing..
Quote:I play healers because I specifically don't want to DPS.
Quote:Do these amazing heals and if people want -more-, give them less. Let them die or leave the instance, not your fault for healing like you're supposed to.
Quote:I don't expect DPS from a Healer because that's not their job - that's my job. So, no, it's not on my shoulders as a Healer. And it's not on the Tank's shoulders as a Tank. Damage is on the shoulders of the DPS, plain and simple.
Quote:I main a WHM and an AST, and I don't stance dance on either of them. I dunno, I didn't pick a healing class to DPS. If I wanted to DPS, I would've gone Bard, or Summoner-
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(08-16-2016, 03:22 PM)Kilieit Wrote: But that's the hall of the novice. I think we can take it off the table when discussing whether healers should be DPSing in, like, expert roulette or whatever high-level content you like.
Okay, I am confused by this? Could you clarify Kilieit, cuz to me it's reading like:
Novice Dungeons - DPS is good, because Hall of Novice is for lowbie content?
Level 60 Dungeons - DPS is bad, because this isn't endgame?
Endgame Content - DPS is good, because elitist raiders?
And I don't think that's what you're trying to say?