(08-29-2016, 06:18 PM)Arvid Greave Wrote: Any full set of airship parts will cart you over 6mil, even if it's just bronco across the board on 4 ships. Just selling those parts on the market instead of using them would get you more than 6mil. The mats are cheap, yeah, just gathering all that crap and wrangling 3 people to stand there while you put it all together is.. well it takes a lot of time and effort even for more than one person. And if he had prototypes all unlocked, all sectors unlocked, that's just a gil printing factory that uses FC points you can get from running expert and handing the stuff you don't use in. It doesn't take much points. You don't need a full FC to keep that train running. That alone is worth more than 6mil. Insert FC points, take out gil. That 6mil would pay for itself in a couple of weeks depending on RNG/parts/sectors covered. If you want to factor all of THAT in, gil for gil, that price tag is going to end up a lot higher than 6mil depending on parts.
I concede that point then. I am no cafter, even if I think crafters tend to be a bit entitled at times and inflate anything out of proportions.
(08-29-2016, 06:18 PM)Arvid Greave Wrote: You can also consider this. Small houses were more than 3mil before. 10mil? Were they 10mil? Or were they 15mil before? It may have also depended on the class of the plot. It would have heavily depended on which ward he was in. Remember, plots used to be expensive. So if anyone wants to make their money back on what they spent on their plot older than ward.. what, 9? 10? They simply cannot. Their gil is gone forever. Even waiting the timer out, someone who spent 80mil on a large plot will get a piddly 25mil(roughly? WAY LESS? 10MIL? No no it's 80%.) back. So the possibility that this person paid 15mil for the plot, then perhaps a lot more than that on airships is very real. Then he got BANNED for 6mil? That's not cruel? Just because he had a plot and didn't want to give away his hard work for absolutely nothing (which I think he kind of did anyway for 6mil) he deserves a ban?
So? Because if I buy a stock of materias for 500k, and suddenly they lose half of their value on the MB, I should be entitled to get my missing 250k back? If I buy raiding food someday, and they skyrocket the day after, I should relinquish all the money I gained out of it? Because it's not fair? If I buy a gear set that is super expensive, then quit the game, and come back one year later when said gear has become cheap as dirt, I should throw a tantrum at buyers because they are not paying the full price I paid one year before?
Isn't that the rule of the market by definition? I'm afraid it would be very naive to expect otherwise.
(08-29-2016, 06:18 PM)Arvid Greave Wrote: If you ask me, 6mil is still STUPIDLY reasonable. Especially when right now, on Balmung, a small plot goes from 20mil, to 60mil. Yes, 60mil. If you find a small plot for 6mil on Balmung from another player willingly HOLY CRAP you are lucky. If you want anything that isn't in the Goblet you are looking at 40-60mil for a small plot. Plain and simple. And that sucks. It really sucks. The more I think about it, the more I think merging smaller servers and offering free server transfers off of Balmung would be the answer. But I think the ps3 is really limiting that? I guess? Or merging low low pop servers is the mark of a dying mmo and nobody wants to hear about that/see that happen.
That's probably very reasonable yeah. But that also shows that most players still don't grasp what's the crux of the matter. You pay for illegal shit. No matter how nice and reasonable you are with your prices, you risk being curbstomped by the law.
I think the only case that could be made here is that Yoshi-P and SE never were exactly very clear on their stance on the matter. So, if you bought before, you can still have the excuse not to have known.
Now though... Everyone knows what they risk. They still choose to invest? Well then, reasonable or not, they got what they deserved. You can disagree with the system, or agree, it doesn't change the end result. Trying to cheat and complaining after when you get caught? Please.
Sure, that's not extremely fun when it happens to the people that deserve it the less, yeah.
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