How about a TLDR: Yes, a small plot is.. around 3mil. Yes someone sold a small plot for 6mil and got banned. But consider that the small plot had an fc and 4 airships that total cost far above 6mil. Yes that is against the rules I NEVER SAID IT WASN'T. I just have no idea how people who are selling plots for such high amounts of gil are going by unbanned, while gil sellers moving say.. 40mil are getting more or less auto-banned. People buying 40mil from bots or whatever will get banned and they are not being reported by anyone that I know of. The list comes out with numbers of RMT getting banned every other month. But people selling a house for 175mil, 200mil, are not getting banned. Do you see why I'm scratching my head at the GMs? No? Yes? I don't know if I need to go over that again or not but I'm.. going to anyways and with a few points why I think this is.
(Yes I know people who have bought gil, 40mil gil, to be exactly precise, and gotten a warning/gil taken away or gotten a ban. I also know one person who has bought more and talked their way out of the ban.)
That's.. yes, another issue. GMs do nothing, usually, unless a WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE SEND IN TICKETS OVER ONE ISSUE. But what went on there, then? I guess the 6mil dude went on party finder and everyone on party finder pointed and shrieked? Entirely possible. But anything said in a linkshell? You can report it but it depends on the GM whether or not anything will be done about it. If the 6mil guy had dramalama and it happened in a linkshell? EVEN IF IT IS AGAINST THE TOS, the GM might tell them too bad leave the linkshell if they don't like what they are reading.
And ...wouldn't more of these people talk about getting banned, if they got banned? Wouldn't more warnings to their fellow house flippers go out like 'OH I GOT BANNED OH CRAP!' ?? I don't think there's a whole 'lot' more than people really think there is. There's a lot as in, one person may flip two houses and then stop doing that forever as they see no need to do it again because they've reached their goals.
Of course they are going to be careful. They are incredibly careful, so careful in fact that if the buyer says anything in game about the deal, the deal is over and they will say in game "What are you talking about?" And log out. But that's not the point. The point is, the GMs should see that level of gil moving. They should pinpoint it like they do when people buy gil. They should do something about it but as far as I have seen nothing is done. But something is done about a piddly 20-40mil gil buying transaction? Laughable. Yes yes yes I am making a generalisation with only the data I have. I only know these three personally. If the problem is TRULY WORSE than that..? WHY is it up to US? For god's sake when it's a 175-200mil transaction and nothing is done? I've seen on reddit medium houses going up for 75mil, 80mil, I don't know those people but I keep a tab on the ward and house and see that the owners have changed. I don't think I can report anyone just based on that and why should I if these houses are going into RPer's hands?
What the hell is going on here REALLY? Are they ONLY tracking the known RMT IP addresses? Is it only a problem when people say it's a problem? Are they taking my personal stance on it and thinking, well, if the buyer is spending it and they're happy and nobody says they have a problem who cares? Why aren't they following their own rules? Why should we, as the players, have to do their jobs and build evidence against people? It's only a problem because with RMT they lose money..?
(Yes I know people who have bought gil, 40mil gil, to be exactly precise, and gotten a warning/gil taken away or gotten a ban. I also know one person who has bought more and talked their way out of the ban.)
(08-31-2016, 12:20 PM)Valence Wrote:(08-30-2016, 11:16 PM)Arvid Greave Wrote: snip
Maybe the 6M dude got enough evidence gathered against him and not the 200mil dude? Maybe depending on the GM in charge and their mood, the answer can vary a lot? Maybe the high rolling house sellers are you know, actually good at hiding their thing when the smaller ones probably don't even know what they are doing?
Lots of things can happen, and the problem is, you are talking mostly without knowing half of the actual details and pulling vague examples that only you can talk about here.
(08-30-2016, 11:16 PM)Arvid Greave Wrote: I actually do personally know three people who flipped houses frequently to make 300mil+
That's exactly what I was telling above. You know three people. Out of... lots. Maybe you haven't heard about high rollers being banned. Maybe some still get banned. Who's to say that you can't miss anything?
See, the thing is, after a few years in the industry, I see so many people claming various things on game forums like, they think that feature X or Y is shit, or that facts are A and not B, and that everyone thinks to agree, so why is the company not doing anything against it, etc etc?
They think they know about everything, have all the data, when in fact they just kept paying attention only to their own echo bubble and circle of friends or personal network to the point where they naturally think that this is representative of the whole situation.
And then you take a look at the actual stats that the playerbase has no access to, with actual numbers to back it up, and see that those people are actually a minority, or talk about very vocal but very minor parts of the community.
That's.. yes, another issue. GMs do nothing, usually, unless a WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE SEND IN TICKETS OVER ONE ISSUE. But what went on there, then? I guess the 6mil dude went on party finder and everyone on party finder pointed and shrieked? Entirely possible. But anything said in a linkshell? You can report it but it depends on the GM whether or not anything will be done about it. If the 6mil guy had dramalama and it happened in a linkshell? EVEN IF IT IS AGAINST THE TOS, the GM might tell them too bad leave the linkshell if they don't like what they are reading.
And ...wouldn't more of these people talk about getting banned, if they got banned? Wouldn't more warnings to their fellow house flippers go out like 'OH I GOT BANNED OH CRAP!' ?? I don't think there's a whole 'lot' more than people really think there is. There's a lot as in, one person may flip two houses and then stop doing that forever as they see no need to do it again because they've reached their goals.
Of course they are going to be careful. They are incredibly careful, so careful in fact that if the buyer says anything in game about the deal, the deal is over and they will say in game "What are you talking about?" And log out. But that's not the point. The point is, the GMs should see that level of gil moving. They should pinpoint it like they do when people buy gil. They should do something about it but as far as I have seen nothing is done. But something is done about a piddly 20-40mil gil buying transaction? Laughable. Yes yes yes I am making a generalisation with only the data I have. I only know these three personally. If the problem is TRULY WORSE than that..? WHY is it up to US? For god's sake when it's a 175-200mil transaction and nothing is done? I've seen on reddit medium houses going up for 75mil, 80mil, I don't know those people but I keep a tab on the ward and house and see that the owners have changed. I don't think I can report anyone just based on that and why should I if these houses are going into RPer's hands?
What the hell is going on here REALLY? Are they ONLY tracking the known RMT IP addresses? Is it only a problem when people say it's a problem? Are they taking my personal stance on it and thinking, well, if the buyer is spending it and they're happy and nobody says they have a problem who cares? Why aren't they following their own rules? Why should we, as the players, have to do their jobs and build evidence against people? It's only a problem because with RMT they lose money..?
